Future EU enlargment ?

[wolfie]

dutch or not , isnt EU more civilized than turkey ?

but he watched them get raped....

andyou can google it yourself sweety

as a socialist ,you dont have to justify the faults of europe



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erida Osmanovic, hanged herself near the camp at Tuzla airport after being forcibly separated from her family and deported from Srebrenica during genocide. Photographed by Darko Bandic. According to the U.S. Dept of State, another 14-year-old Bosniak child hung herself with her scarf in Potocari after she and her 12-year old cousin were raped by Serb soldiers.



Srebrenica Genocide Blog: TABOO TOPIC: RAPE IN SREBRENICA

please read it if you want to believe in me..

These countries at the time of these abhorences..were not European..they were part of a communist regime..

 

[paris]

dutch or not , isnt EU more civilized than turkey ?

but he watched them get raped....

andyou can google it yourself sweety

as a socialist ,you dont have to justify the faults of europe



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erida Osmanovic, hanged herself near the camp at Tuzla airport after being forcibly separated from her family and deported from Srebrenica during genocide. Photographed by Darko Bandic. According to the U.S. Dept of State, another 14-year-old Bosniak child hung herself with her scarf in Potocari after she and her 12-year old cousin were raped by Serb soldiers.



Srebrenica Genocide Blog: TABOO TOPIC: RAPE IN SREBRENICA

please read it if you want to believe in me..

I'm not sure what it is that I should believe in you. No one here has denied what happened in Bosnia. I am just refuting your claim that we should be blamed for it.

 

[Medusa]

I'm not sure what it is that I should believe in you. No one here has denied what happened in Bosnia. I am just refuting your claim that we should be blamed for it.

did you read teh whole link ?

if you claim to be more democratic and civilized everytime ,,the others may criticize it paris.l mean european states claim it.

why cant you see tehy didnt try to do somethings to save those people untill many of them get killed or raped ?

 

[Ben K.]

The conflict in question had the following actors: Serbia, ethnic Serbs in what is Bosnia, Croatians, and the Bosnian Muslims. In the case of the massacres in Bosnia and other war crimes, Serbia and the ethnic Serb militias/paramilitary forces in that area were largely responsible. Some of their leaders have either died in custody or are being prosecuted for war crimes.

In hindsight, when the facts are known, it's easy to argue that the U.S., or Europe, or Turkey should have intervened early on. But the leaders at the time were not privy to that information and they did not have perfect foresight. Moreover, in democratic societies, it takes time to mobilize legislative support, build public understanding, etc. Calculations about possible effective strategies, balance of power considerations, costs, post-conflict risks, etc. are all part of the planning.

All taken into consideration, but I feel Srebrenica was a massive moral failure regardless. But I don't think anyone has assigned responsibility of Bosnia to the Turks as you claimed.

 

[paris]

did you read teh whole link ?

if you claim to be more democratic and civilized everytime ,,the others may criticize it paris.l mean european states claim it.

why cant you see tehy didnt try to do somethings to save those people untill many of them get killed or raped ?

They did try, but a few hundred soldiers couldn't do much in front of an invading army, and UN peacekeepers were taken as hostages. It's easy for you to blame the Dutch because they failed to protect Srebrenica, when you weren't there to do the job yourself.

 

[wolfie]

They did try, but a few hundred soldiers couldn't do much in front of an invading army, and UN peacekeepers were taken as hostages. It's easy for you to blame the Dutch because they failed to protect Srebrenica, when you weren't there to do the job yourself.

Turkey protects Turkish people..

During World War II Turkey managed to stay neutral..

I bet they did!!..



I also enjoyed the fact that Medusa left the thread when she was found out to be a liar...:lol:

 

[DDD]

in turkey we use an old saying, which is that greeks invented homosexuality in europe and turks introduced them with women. so we are happy to contribute to european civilization with proper things.

That is cool. But this sort of debates takes off the required distancing and cognitive involvement from discussions. Medusa sometimes sounds like my angry aunt "debating" (or more like yelling) with my jealous next door neighbor (no offends Med).

It is like "Yaaa, oyle mi! Sen kendine bak sana! Kos kocaman bir oglun var hala okuma bile bilmiyor!!!"

 

[DDD]

Turkey protects Turkish people..

During World War II Turkey managed to stay neutral..

I bet they did!!..



I also enjoyed the fact that Medusa left the thread when she was found out to be a liar...:lol:

You two are made for each other. Hot blooded, never relaxing, never giving way, personally dealing, females with a specific cultural feminine touch.

 

[soguks]

That is cool. But this sort of debates takes off the required distancing and cognitive involvement from discussions. Medusa sometimes sounds like my angry aunt "debating" (or more like yelling) with my jealous next door neighbor (no offends Med).

It is like "Yaaa, oyle mi! Sen kendine bak sana! Kos kocaman bir oglun var hala okuma bile bilmiyor!!!"

... another Turk you are?

..anyway, as i said this forum used to have very intelligent people, and now all we have wolfie, rainman kind people.. so we have to be like them to show the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[wolfie]

... another Turk you are?

..anyway, as i said this forum used to have very intelligent people, and now all we have wolfie, rainman kind people.. so we have to be like them to show the light at the end of the tunnel.

The light at the end of the tunnel?? which light is that then??

The Turkish brainwashing one??

I was in a Turkish railway station..and a couple of young people were holding hands..nearly kissing..but not quite..watched by a policeman

An old guy told me you face 5 years in prison for a couple Turkish people to kiss in public..is this true?

And do not insult me!!

 

[soguks]

The light at the end of the tunnel?? which light is that then??

The Turkish brainwashing one??

I was in a Turkish railway station..and a couple of young people were holding hands..nearly kissing..but not quite..watched by a policeman

An old guy told me you face 5 years in prison for a couple Turkish people to kiss in public..is this true?

And do not insult me!!

Did i hit a nerve?

it seems it was a quite adventure for you to be in Turkey, would you share some of your photos?

when i was at taksim well known place in istanbul, i kissed an egyptian girl and some english girls looked at me, at that time i just ignored them, and i was not sent to prison.

..and it is not me insulting you, it is you yourself who make comments that trigger that kinda impression on people.

 

[wolfie]

Did i hit a nerve?

it seems it was a quite adventure for you to be in Turkey, would you share some of your photos?

when i was at taksim well known place in istanbul, i kissed an egyptian girl and some english girls looked at me, at that time i just ignored them, and i was not sent to prison.

..and it is not me insulting you, it is you yourself who make comments that trigger that kinda impression on people.

Istanbul is cosmopolitan..not like the North of Turkey..go 5 miles out of Izmir..and it is the real Turkey...No alcohol..no bars..people stare at you as if you have two heads..

And no...Soguk..I would not like to share any of my holiday photo's with you..:lamo

 

[DDD]

... another Turk you are?

..anyway, as i said this forum used to have very intelligent people, and now all we have wolfie, rainman kind people.. so we have to be like them to show the light at the end of the tunnel.

Nah, Albanian. We at this side of Dardania learn a specific old kind of Turkish that was left and carried on from the ottoman era. With such an old Turkish base understanding what they speak in Turkish TV (series mostly nowadays) further refines my Turkish to an understandable degree.

My accent is very misleading. I heard Turks claim that I am from Cyprus, Azerbeijan, Adana, etc. Not one ever guesses it right.

 

[DDD]

And no...Soguk..I would not like to share any of my holiday photo's with you..:lamo

How about me?

 

[soguks]

Istanbul is cosmopolitan..not like the North of Turkey..go 5 miles out of Izmir..and it is the real Turkey...No alcohol..no bars..people stare at you as if you have two heads..

And no...Soguk..I would not like to share any of my holiday photo's with you..:lamo

whatever i say or show as a proof, you come up with but-like or what-if comments; but at some point you are right that in every country there is more conservative places or more free places, but the important thing is the laws in those countries, in turkey according to laws you cannot be sent to prison just because you kiss a girl or boy.

and about your photos; i just try to understand if your adventure in turkey was real one after all your references to your claims are based on your trip in turkey; however, you did just understand it in how your mentality is. Besides i did not say anything about your sharing your photos with me personally, or sharing your special photos.

anyway, i am out of discussion with you, because you are interested in small things, but i am not.

 

[wolfie]

How about me?

I shouldn't have shot him down really..it was a nice try!!! :lol:

 

[wolfie]

Nah, Albanian. We at this side of Dardania learn a specific old kind of Turkish that was left and carried on from the ottoman era. With such an old Turkish base understanding what they speak in Turkish TV (series mostly nowadays) further refines my Turkish to an understandable degree.

My accent is very misleading. I heard Turks claim that I am from Cyprus, Azerbeijan, Adana, etc. Not one ever guesses it right.

So you are Albanian then??

Very interesting..please tell me about yourself...and how come your English is so good??

 

[DDD]

I shouldn't have shot him down really..it was a nice try!!! :lol:

You shot him down pretty well. He no longer is interested in your photos. But, errr, are you in the beach or something?

 

[wolfie]

You shot him down pretty well. He no longer is interested in your photos. But, errr, are you in the beach or something?

Just stop it..and answer my questions..

 

[DDD]

So you are Albanian then??

Very interesting..please tell me about yourself...and how come your English is so good??

Things I must do for goody images...

My English and Turkish is "so good" (appreciate the compliment) because I had no better cartoons than English ones during young age, and no better pop and rock music than English ones during adolescence. Later documentaries followed, and the internet.

Let's see now, what else there is. I am student currently, surrounded with mostly American classmates (that also refines my English further, but they too are astonished at my English).

Throughout ages the Americans, British (such as yourself), Deutche, and Turkish have consistently supported our cause and our existential interests. Thus my position in these politics is very delicate when it comes to these personal attacks between people of countries that I like. Whenever any of the members of my preferred countries clash too personally like that I try to be neutral and supportive for all, which is pretty difficult. It tears me apart which resembles our history teared between various super powers across ages from pre-historic Dardania and perhaps till today.

 

[Medusa]

Turkey protects Turkish people..

During World War II Turkey managed to stay neutral..

I bet they did!!..



I also enjoyed the fact that Medusa left the thread when she was found out to be a liar...:lol:

we saved lots of jews as we saved 500 years ago,now google and learn what l mean

 

[wolfie]

we saved lots of jews as we saved 500 years ago,now google and learn what l mean

500 years ago??

Have you saved any since??

Your hate comes out in your posts..Black..black..black..

Disgusting....

 

[Medusa]

These countries at the time of these abhorences..were not European..they were part of a communist regime..

l dont know about your education or profession ( you seem to be a housewife to me)but it seems you have to educate yourself on history.those countries were not communist ,but socialist and socialist block had already corrupted when this war began!

and,which countries are european ?

who is european ?

at least greeks! because you have to find a root for the european civilization!!

anyone can see your racism!

you ignore those bosnians but pretend to like kurds!

paris ,do you see it? she claims they werent european .)

it means they can be killed ,in my opinion ( if they are not kurd)

 

[Medusa]

500 years ago??

Have you saved any since??

Your hate comes out in your posts..Black..black..black..

Disgusting....

what do you mean by black black ? :shock:

 

[DDD]

l dont know about your education or profession ( you seem to be a housewife to me)but it seems you have to educate yourself on history.those countries were not communist ,but socialist and socialist block had already corrupted when this war began!

and,which countries are european ?

who is european ?

at least greeks! because you have to find a root for the european civilization!!

anyone can see your racism!

you ignore those bosnians but pretend to like kurds!

paris ,do you see it? she claims they werent european .)

it means they can be killed ,in my opinion ( if they are not kurd)

Could you calm down now please? There is this issue of interpretation and projecting that may be telling more about you in your statements than you may think. If anything you are leading them to strike at your somewhat irrational concerns. Example concluding that people are worthless enough to be killed unless they are Kurd's is not very positive and beneficial either to you or everyone else apart from Kurds.

Olmayani da guruyorsun bence...