Fun With The AR15

[Noodlegawd]

Timin:

Much bigger problem? The death toll in Canada from all types of alcohol related deaths has been in the low to mid three-thousands until 2020 when it shot up to about 5550+ due to pandemic isolation. The 2021 figures are not fully available yet but seem to be hovering in the high three-thousands again. Now in 2020 the US lost 45,000+ lives due to gun deaths and in 2021 that number jumped to 48,800+ deaths. When adjusted for population that puts gun- related deaths in America ahead of alcohol-related deaths in Canada. So your transparent attempt to deflect from the irresponsibility which is evident in this thread and the OP's video is an utter failure.

I don't drink alcohol anymore. So I would not be giving up anything that I have not already chosen to give up using for sound reasons.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I don't know where you got your numbers. In 2014 (the last year for which I can find a concrete number), alcohol-related deaths in Canada were close to 15,000. Corrected for population, that's equivalent to more than 125,000 in the US.

How many alcohol attributable deaths and hospital admissions could be prevented by alternative pricing and taxation policies? Modelling impacts on alcohol consumption, revenues and related harms in Canada - Canada.ca

We modelled the impacts of alternative pricing and taxation policies on alcohol harms for Canada in 2016.

www.canada.ca

In contrast, total gun deaths in 2014 (i.e., before the BLM riots started) in the US were less than 34,000, and total homicides with rifles of all kinds were on the order of a few hundred.

CDC WISQARS - Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System

Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System

wisqars.cdc.gov

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

ucr.fbi.gov

 

[Evilroddy]

Your abstinence is for your own reasons and by your own choice.

RF667799:

Yes. I was just answering Timin's question while showing him that US gun deaths far exceed Canadian alcohol deaths when adjusted for population, even in an uncharacteristic ally bad year like 2020.

That does not change the foolish nature of this OP's thread.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[RF667799]

RF667799:

Yes. I was just answering Timin's question while showing him that US gun deaths far exceed Canadian alcohol deaths when adjusted for population, even in an uncharacteristic ally bad year like 2020.

That does not change the foolish nature of this OP's thread.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Meh.

I've been told motorcycle riding is foolish. Spending considerable sums to go sit by a fire 50 miles from home, when I could do the same thing at home is foolish. (I'm tending to agree in my more lucid moments.) Off roading is foolish. And expending money for ammunition just to break little spinning discs by the thousands, is foolish. (I eventually did agree with that.)

I tend to not judge people on the peaceful pursuit of their hobbies.

 

[Chase Morgan]

Wow, rod makin' these sick, pathetic gun-huggers look like dumb chimps in this thread.

Outstanding work, sir

 

[Evilroddy]

I don't know where you got your numbers. In 2014 (the last year for which I can find a concrete number), alcohol-related deaths in Canada were close to 15,000. Corrected for population, that's equivalent to more than 125,000 in the US.

How many alcohol attributable deaths and hospital admissions could be prevented by alternative pricing and taxation policies? Modelling impacts on alcohol consumption, revenues and related harms in Canada - Canada.ca

We modelled the impacts of alternative pricing and taxation policies on alcohol harms for Canada in 2016.

www.canada.ca

In contrast, total gun deaths in 2014 (i.e., before the BLM riots started) in the US were less than 34,000, and total homicides with rifles of all kinds were on the order of a few hundred.

CDC WISQARS - Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System

Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System

wisqars.cdc.gov

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

ucr.fbi.gov

Timin:

Yeah, I don't know what Statistics Canada was thinking. Here is data comparing 2019 and 2020 alcohol related deaths also from stats Canada:

The Daily — Provisional death counts and excess mortality, January 2020 to April 2021

From the end of March 2020 to the beginning of April 2021, there were 5,535 more deaths than expected among Canadians aged 0 to 64 had there been no pandemic, of which 1,380 were attributed to COVID-19. This suggests that the observed excess mortality is largely related to other factors, such as...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

In 2020, the number and rate of alcohol-induced deaths increased among those under the age of 65. Among those aged 0 to 44, the number of alcohol-induced deaths rose from 325 (1.6 deaths per 100,000 people) in 2019 to 480 (2.3 deaths per 100,000 people) in 2020. There was also an increase in the number of alcohol-induced deaths in those aged 45 to 64 in 2020 (1,790 or 17.7 deaths per 100,000 people) compared with 2019 (1,525 or 15.0 deaths per 100,000 people). Alcohol-induced deaths include deaths attributed to a number of diseases and conditions related to the chronic use of alcohol, but exclude unintentional deaths, like traffic accidents, where alcohol is believed to be a contributing factor.

These increases were observed in both men and women and appear to be driven by a surge in the number of deaths attributed to alcoholic liver disease and mental and behavioural disorders due to use of alcohol (e.g. harmful use of alcohol, alcohol dependence syndrome, and withdrawal among others).

If you add up the alcohol-induced deaths from 2019 you get 325 + 1525 for a total of 1850 alcohol-induced deaths. If you add up the numbers of similar deaths in 2020 you get 480 + 1790 = 2270. Now in 2020 a total of all who died from alcohol induced deaths was 5825 people. That leaves 3555 who died either prenatally or died over the age of 64"

I think your 2014 numbers might have been total unintentional poisonings including alcohol, illicit drugs, doctor-prescribed drugs and toxin poisonings, but that is just a guess. Clearly the 2014 numbers bear no resemblance to either the 2019 or the 2020 numbers also reported by Stats Can. So I'm stumped. Thank god this was your tangent and not mine.

However, as this is a tangent, rather than the meat of this thread, may I remind you that over 48,800 Americans died from gun-related injuries in 2021. That's the number Americans should be concerned with rather than the opaque and arcane reporting of Stats Can on a totally unrelated cause of mortality in a different country.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

Meh.

I've been told motorcycle riding is foolish. Spending considerable sums to go sit by a fire 50 miles from home, when I could do the same thing at home is foolish. (I'm tending to agree in my more lucid moments.) Off roading is foolish. And expending money for ammunition just to break little spinning discs by the thousands, is foolish. (I eventually did agree with that.)

I tend to not judge people on the peaceful pursuit of their hobbies.

RF667799:

Did you watch the OP's posted video? It's a recipe for gun and explosive accidents and conflates dangerous guns with toys for big-boys. Any easily-swayed mind with some cash in its pockets could seriously hurt or kill themselves or others trying this or similar stunts. The video is irresponsible and thus dangerous. Kids watch this kind of crap and then later try to copy-cat it. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[zsu2357]

Channe79:

Napalm, fuel-air explosives, ground-penetrating bombs and missiles and cluster bombs or artillery shells. You and your hand-held weapons do not stand a chance vs. the US military. Red Dawn, Rambo and other such tripe are not reality. Your guns will be a dangerous nuisance but not a fight-winner. You'll simply die. Better to discipline you government politically rather than through suicidal militancy.

Be well and be smarter.
Evilroddy.

You still think the U.S. military will go after us don't you? Granted there would be some that wanted to play with their toys but they wouldn't last long until their attitude was adjusted.

 

[zsu2357]

Who is talking about going on an offensive vs. the U.S. military in this thread?

It's some notion anti gunners got in their heads.

 

[RF667799]

RF667799:

Did you watch the OP's posted video? It's a recipe for gun and explosive accidents and conflates dangerous guns with toys for big-boys. Any easily-swayed mind with some cash in its pockets could seriously hurt or kill themselves or others trying this or similar stunts. The video is irresponsible and thus dangerous. Kids watch this kind of crap and then later try to copy-cat it. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

We watched Evel Knevel and tried to emulate him with our dirt bikes, with varying degrees of success or disaster.

Someone might watch the Daytona 500, and try to put someone "in the wall", when passed on their Monday morning commute.

What I saw in the video looked like a tongue in cheek send up, perhaps somewhat directed at themselves. That magazine device looked wildly impractical. I believe there were no less than 5 optical sights mounted on the rifle. Various other handles
and gim-gaws.

It isn't beyond belief to me that someone can responsibly put a lot of rounds down range in a short time, and do it safely.

Tannerite is a product specifically sold to make targets with an explosive effect. It's available in a great many sporting goods and Home/Farm type stores. I'm assuming it's safe when used as directed.

If you're starting from the presumption that having fun shooting guns on a range is itself irresponsible and dangerous to an inordinate degree, then; yes that video might give you vapors.

Dang though...I hope you never see one of those lumberjack competitions with V8 powered chain saws, and climbing trees with hammered in wedges and no harness.

 

[zsu2357]

Wow, rod makin' these sick, pathetic gun-huggers look like dumb chimps in this thread.

Outstanding work, sir

Really I think he's a pretty decent person for a Canadian lol unlike some of you.

 

[RF667799]

Timin:

Yeah, I don't know what Statistics Canada was thinking. Here is data comparing 2019 and 2020 alcohol related deaths also from stats Canada:

The Daily — Provisional death counts and excess mortality, January 2020 to April 2021

From the end of March 2020 to the beginning of April 2021, there were 5,535 more deaths than expected among Canadians aged 0 to 64 had there been no pandemic, of which 1,380 were attributed to COVID-19. This suggests that the observed excess mortality is largely related to other factors, such as...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

If you add up the alcohol-induced deaths from 2019 you get 325 + 1525 for a total of 1850 alcohol-induced deaths. If you add up the numbers of similar deaths in 2020 you get 480 + 1790 = 2270. Now in 2020 a total of all who died from alcohol induced deaths was 5825 people. That leaves 3555 who died either prenatally or died over the age of 64"

I think your 2014 numbers might have been total unintentional poisonings including alcohol, illicit drugs, doctor-prescribed drugs and toxin poisonings, but that is just a guess. Clearly the 2014 numbers bear no resemblance to either the 2019 or the 2020 numbers also reported by Stats Can. So I'm stumped. Thank god this was your tangent and not mine.

However, as this is a tangent, rather than the meat of this thread, may I remind you that over 48,800 Americans died from gun-related injuries in 2021. That's the number Americans should be concerned with rather than the opaque and arcane reporting of Stats Can on a totally unrelated cause of mortality in a different country.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

You- a Canadian- are effectively telling an American to mind his own business about Canadian alcohol deaths.

Whilst lecturing Americans about American gun deaths.

I enjoy your posts and presence usually, but it's a bit mystifying how you miss the irony there.

 

[Evilroddy]

You- a Canadian- are effectively telling an American to mind his own business about Canadian alcohol deaths.

Whilst lecturing Americans about American gun deaths.

I enjoy your posts and presence usually, but it's a bit mystifying how you miss the irony there.

RF667799:

No. I said the facts from Stats Can are contradictory so why waste time on them in a thread about guns in a sub-forum about guns? Alcoholism in Canada has nothing to do with the OP's thread, now does it?

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[RF667799]

RF667799:

No. I said the facts from Stats Can are contradictory so why waste time on them in a thread about guns in a sub-forum about guns? Alcoholism in Canada has nothing to do with the OP's thread, now does it?

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I think his thrust is that when people seek to severely curtail things, ban things, denigrate things...it's usually not extended to their own things. When it comes to their things, they get puffy about even a little inconvenience.

I've seen it right here in this forum, when I propose that gun and motor vehicle possession be subject to background checks. The same people extolling the virtues of background checks as a crime fighting tool in the case of guns; almost to a person rise up in self-righteous indignation that they should be extended to motor vehicles.

 

[Chase Morgan]

More fun with ar-15s...





Only sick, paranoid losers would own these mass-killing machines...

 

[RF667799]

RF667799:

No. I said the facts from Stats Can are contradictory so why waste time on them in a thread about guns in a sub-forum about guns? Alcoholism in Canada has nothing to do with the OP's thread, now does it?

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

How many of those 48,800 deaths can be directly attributed to people treating guns like toys, or enjoying themselves in ways you find atrocious?

I submit the vast majority of those deaths were inflicted by people completely aware that a gun can be used with deadly consequences, and intent on using it exactly like that.

 

[RF667799]

More fun with ar-15s...





Only sick, paranoid losers would own these mass-killing machines...

I own an AR-15. Your opinion is supported by nothing more than your opinion. There's a good chance you like chocolate milk, when everyone knows that stuff is puke, is what that stuff is.

 

[Evilroddy]

I think his thrust is that when people seek to severely curtail things, ban things, denigrate things...it's usually not extended to their own things. When it comes to their things, they get puffy about even a little inconvenience.

I've seen it right here in this forum, when I propose that gun and motor vehicle possession be subject to background checks. The same people extolling the virtues of background checks as a crime fighting tool in the case of guns; almost to a person rise up in self-righteous indignation that they should be extended to motor vehicles.

RF667799:

I'm not sure about the utility of background checks for motor vehicle access, but I would certainly support an integrated red-flag notification system for both gun owners and motor vehicle owners based on certain ridk factors.

As to the indignation, people are selfish and self-centred that way. What can you do?

Incidently, I support Americans' right to keep and bear arms legally and responsibly. There are no rights without attendant responsibilities. That's why this OP's video makes me so mad. It severs responsibility from corresponding rights.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Bum]

Tannerite is a blast for dealing with feral hogs...



Damn thats fun!

 

[RF667799]

RF667799:

I'm not sure about the utility of background checks for motor vehicle access, but I would certainly support an integrated red-flag notification system for both gun owners and motor vehicle owners based on certain ridk factors.

As to the indignation, people are selfish and self-centred that way. What can you do?

Incidently, I support Americans' right to keep and bear arms legally and responsibly. There are no rights without attendant responsibilities. That's why this OP's video makes me so mad. It severs responsibility from corresponding rights.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I think a prohibited person illegally possessing a motor vehicle, would be easier to detect than one in illegal possession of a gun. Hard to hide a Silverado in your closet, or keep it in your pocket.

My idea is that one can exercise his gun rights, while having fun. I really didn’t see the irresponsibility in the video. Shooting a lot of rounds in quick succession isn't inherently irresponsible. Shooting Tannerite for an explosive effect isn't irresponsible in itself. Loading an AR-15 with the entire contents of the accessory section at Bass Pro, as a self-parody, isn't irresponsible.

Having fun isn't irresponsible.

 

[RF667799]

Tannerite is a blast for dealing with feral hogs...



Damn thats fun!

Well...at least they administered some anchor shots quickly. Not for me, though.

 

[Bum]

Well...at least they administered some anchor shots quickly. Not for me, though.

I aint gonna lie....blowing shit up is a real hoot.

 

[RF667799]

I aint gonna lie....blowing shit up is a real hoot.

Sure. I'm just not so sure about blowing up hogs, and the attendant wounding. I probably wouldn't be consistent in that though. If someone was dispatching rats with explosives...not a word.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Because you can
Sub-title Fun with Tannerite

Is that the one you were telling us about in the thread a couple days ago that you said you lubed it up real good?

My, thats a big gun isnt it?

 

[SMTA]

Is that the one you were telling us about in the thread a couple days ago that you said you lubed it up real good?

My, thats a big gun isnt it?

Bigger than yours

 

[Evilroddy]

How many of those 48,800 deaths can be directly attributed to people treating guns like toys, or enjoying themselves in ways you find atrocious?

RF667799:

You ask a question which you should know no one can answer. However the better question is, "How many of those 48,800+ gun deaths were a function of irresponsibility?". I feel comfortable predicting that the vast majority were the result of irresponsible gun use, and that includes the suicides.

I submit the vast majority of those deaths were inflicted by people completely aware that a gun can be used with deadly consequences, and intent on using it exactly like that.

I agree, but they were still irresponsible. The video promotes irresponsibility, IMO.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.