"Frothy" Santorum gearing up for 2016

[Einzige]

How cute. I look forward to helping Senator Paul demolish this clown.

Inside sources close to Rick Santorum are saying the former Pennsylvania senator and 2012 GOP contender is already organizing for a run in 2016. On the other side of the aisle, investor Warren Buffett is already touting his choice to succeed President Obama in the White House.

A leading evangelical leader who is close to Santorum and asked not to be identified, told The Christian Post on Wednesday that Santorum is "organizing and making all the necessary preparations" for another run in the 2016 Republican primary.

"Rick's getting ready organized and is not going to be behind the eight-ball when it comes to fundraising and building a grassroots organization," the anonymous source said. "I think you'll see and hear a lot from Rick in the next 12 months."

Santorum fought off a number of fellow conservatives that included Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.), former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and restaurant executive Herman Cain to be one of the last standing against Mitt Romney. Only Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) stayed in the race longer but he was never considered a major contender to win the nomination.

Soon after the election was over, Santorum and his team sent out an email to supporters hinting of another run and indicated that he and his wife Karen would be working to rebuild a party splintered by ideology and infighting about why minorities and young women are peeling away from the GOP platform.
"As a result of this election," Santorum wrote, "we now need to engage with even more energy and commitment not just in politics, but in our daily lives, to ensure that the values upon which our country has prospered will continue." And here is the kicker: "Karen and I look forward to working side by side with you to make that happen."

 

[Fiddytree]

Despite not really agreeing with him politically, I wish him luck and continued support for his family, which influenced his decision to end his primary push.

 

[Risky Thicket]

What amazes me is that Santorum is even further removed from what most of the nation wants in a President. Even the GOP didn't agree with his politics. What is it with him and his tiny band of radical righties that they don't see America doesn't want people who believe as he does in the White House? It somewhat amazes me that he can be so disconnected from the mainstream.

 

[Einzige]

What amazes me is that Santorum is even further removed from what most of the nation wants in a President. Even the GOP didn't agree with his politics. What is it with him and his tiny band of radical righties that they don't see America doesn't want people who believe as he does in the White House? It somewhat amazes me that he can be so disconnected from the mainstream.

Worse yet, Santorum doesn't realize that there is a serious contingent of Republicans and Ron Paul supporters who will not vote for Frothy, under any circumstances. He will not win with a divided base.

 

[TheLastIndependent]

Santorum scares me, honestly. His awful (I mean awful as in both completely off target and unfulfilling of its goal and inhumane) paper towel analogy is plenty of enough reason for me to not vote for him. There are too many intelligent Republicans to put up a moral crusader who is going to lose just like every other candidate that is socially to the far-right. Hey guys, this may be crazy but, not everybody still thinks that it's 1900. It's okay to talk about drugs and sex nowadays.

 

[politicsrule]

I wish Santorum luck, mainly because he truly believes in Conservative values and morals.

 

[Einzige]

I wish Santorum luck, mainly because he truly believes in Conservative values and morals.

Santorum doesn't believe in "Conservative values and morals". He believes in granting the Vatican the right of prerogative in deciding American legislative issues.

 

[Fiddytree]

Worse yet, Santorum doesn't realize that there is a serious contingent of Republicans and Ron Paul supporters who will not vote for Frothy, under any circumstances. He will not win with a divided base.

The latter portion aren't that worrying. They mostly don't vote for the Republican granted the nomination anyway. Write-ins or libertarian party votes.

 

[politicsrule]

Santorum doesn't believe in "Conservative values and morals". He believes in granting the Vatican the right of prerogative in deciding American legislative issues.

your changing the subject....

 

[Einzige]

your changing the subject....

I'm really not. Santorum shares nothing in common with the Enlightenment-derived moral and intellectual framework with Americanism. His intellectual values come from far older sources, sources that inspired the feudal structures America rejected in her Revolution - Catholic Absolutism.

 

[joko104]

OK, you started a second thread about Santorum.

Santorum would get obliterated.
He opposes abortion in all circumstances including rape and even opposed the morning after pill for a 13 year old raped by her father. He wants such abortion outlawed.
He opposes all contraceptives.

I could go on, but it ends there. 80% of Americans disagree with him on extreme stance on abortion and over 90% for his stance on contraceptives.

He also proved that far more than Romney, he will say and do ANYTHING to get a vote and when losing he will go as extreme as possible to try to gain a vocal extreme fringe support.

He's nothing but destructiveness to the Republican Party and I wish he'd just go away. Instead, he will try to rabble rouse the evangelicals to curse the Republican and force legitimate Republican candidates to run to the extreme religious rightwing, once again dooming the Republican candidate.

 

[joko104]

I'm really not. Santorum shares nothing in common with the Enlightenment-derived moral and intellectual framework with Americanism. His intellectual values come from far older sources, sources that inspired the feudal structures America rejected in her Revolution - Catholic Absolutism.

Even a majority of Catholics - over 80% - do not agree with Santorum's views that Catholic doctrine should be Federal US law.

 

[Einzige]

Even a majority of Catholics - over 80% - do not agree with Santorum's views that Catholic doctrine should be Federal US law.

I suspect that Frothy would actually get fewer votes from American Catholics than Romney did, especially if he was up against a center-left Northeastern Catholic like Biden or Cuomo. Mainstream American Catholics aren't going to want such a polarizing, oppositional figure representing them on the world stage.

 

[AGENT J]

How cute. I look forward to helping Senator Paul demolish this clown.

If Santorum is the nominee it guarantees a democratic victory and it doesnt even matter who runs.

 

[Fiddytree]

If Santorum is the nominee it guarantees a democratic victory and it doesnt even matter who runs.

Probably. He doesn't have the ability to pivot to the Left on social or fiscal issues, but he can pivot right on fiscal issues. That makes his run more difficult in the general election.

 

[AGENT J]

Probably. He doesn't have the ability to pivot to the Left on social or fiscal issues, but he can pivot right on fiscal issues. That makes his run more difficult in the general election.

well fiscal issues is where its at for the republicans its their bread and butter, its their strength as long as they drop the stupid rhetoric that goes with it 47% comments, pandering more to companies than people etc. Just talk about SMART spending.

But since he could never separate himself from his social issues he'd be a dead duck.

 

[gavinfielder]

Good. Having Santorum on the stage will help the other Republicans cut off its religious extremist wing.

 

[Fisher]

The more passionately people who are not on the right think he is the wrong candidate may be proof of exactly why he will be a strong candidate for the right. He was starting to make a strong showing once he got some money coming in but it was too little too late at that point. I think he is too right too for my taste, but that does not mean he cannot win the nomination. The GOP is not going to the center when someone as moderate as Romney cannot knock off a crippled POTUS.

 

[Einzige]

The more passionately people who are not on the right think he is the wrong candidate may be proof of exactly why he will be a strong candidate for the right. He was starting to make a strong showing once he got some money coming in but it was too little too late at that point. I think he is too right too for my taste, but that does not mean he cannot win the nomination. The GOP is not going to the center when someone as moderate as Romney cannot knock off a crippled POTUS.

This is the same dumbass non-logic the Democrats were using in 1984: "Carter wasn't far left enough!"

Santorum would have lost by much bigger margins against Obama.

 

[DA60]

If the Reps think they got beaten because of Romney.

With Santorum as their candidate - they will get destroyed.

This guy is a semi-whacko, imo.

 

[Dragonfly]

The more passionately people who are not on the right think he is the wrong candidate may be proof of exactly why he will be a strong candidate for the right. He was starting to make a strong showing once he got some money coming in but it was too little too late at that point. I think he is too right too for my taste, but that does not mean he cannot win the nomination. The GOP is not going to the center when someone as moderate as Romney cannot knock off a crippled POTUS.

Is it even remotely possible to win any national election without the swing voters? The answer is no to that.

As stated earlier, if the right selects a "Santorum" as their candidate for 2016, there will be a third straight presidential victory for the democrats. Even if it's Biden running. Yep - even if it's Biden.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I fully invite the GOP to nominate someone like Santorum, especially if they are the owner of the "don't blame me, I voted for Santorum" bumper sticker company.

 

[Fisher]

Is it even remotely possible to win any national election without the swing voters? The answer is no to that.

As stated earlier, if the right selects a "Santorum" as their candidate for 2016, there will be a third straight presidential victory for the democrats. Even if it's Biden running. Yep - even if it's Biden.

Then explain to me how George Bush managed to beat Al Gore and then John Kerry if being to the right of Mitt Romney is a death sentence?

 

[Tigger]

Worse yet, Santorum doesn't realize that there is a serious contingent of Republicans and Ron Paul supporters who will not vote for Frothy, under any circumstances. He will not win with a divided base.

Then the Republican Party stands no chance of EVER winning the White House back because (as was proven last week) Conservatives will not vote for a Social Liberal like Romney or Ron Paul.

Eventually the Republican Party needs to decide what its Core Values are and actually stand by them. Whether it's a Romney (Socially Liberal and Fiscally Moderate) party, Paul (Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative) party or a Santorum (Socially Conservative and Fiscally Conservative) party. One way or another the party needs to decide where it's heart and its head lay and move forward with that mentality, even as it loses the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Fisher]

This is the same dumbass non-logic the Democrats were using in 1984: "Carter wasn't far left enough!"

Santorum would have lost by much bigger margins against Obama.

Sure he would because even though George Bush thumped Gore being to the right of Romney is clearly an unwinnable position. Lord knows that that folks in that big chunk of the electorate that did not even vote in 2012 might never ever ever have a reason ever to vote for a republican. Becoming more democrat lite must be the only way the GOP could ever win an election........brilliant that leftist have the pulse of the conservatives and have so generously let us know how to beat them :roll: