PeteEU said:Okay name some positive stuff from Iraq if you can.
I can name the following..
Iraqies can vote now in a free election.
No Saddam or single party system.
Blooming media all over the place.
In charge of thier own destiny.. kinda.
On the negative side I can mention off hand
Higher crime, more murders, more kidnappings.
Less power production, more blackouts, less oil coming out of the ground to pay for it all, less sewage or water treatment, less fresh water, less jobs and hence higher unemployment.
Fewer and fewer children going to school because of fear of kidnapping and those going to school are under armed gaurds.
Less rights for women.
The same or more corruption in goverment.
There is plenty more if you want it.. but hey if you want to belive in fairytales..
aps said:I guess more than 2300 soldiers dying and more than 10,000 being maimed means nothing to you. Of course it wouldn't, it's not you.
aps said:Oh yeah, the horse's mouth. Guess there can be no difference of opinion, eh? I know people who feel the opposite and have been stationed in Iraq.
Anyway, I love how people like to blame the media for the negativity coming from Iraq. I guess more than 2300 soldiers dying and more than 10,000 being maimed means nothing to you. Of course it wouldn't, it's not you.
aps said:Oh yeah, the horse's mouth. Guess there can be no difference of opinion, eh? I know people who feel the opposite and have been stationed in Iraq.
Anyway, I love how people like to blame the media for the negativity coming from Iraq. I guess more than 2300 soldiers dying and more than 10,000 being maimed means nothing to you. Of course it wouldn't, it's not you.
We don't listen to them either!vandree said:Wouldn't the horse's mouth actually be an Iraqi?!
easyt65 said:You're right, that is a disgusting cheap shot, but everyone should have come to expect that from him and very little else!
aps said:I honestly don't care what you think of me. Badmouth me all you want, but please get my sex correct, as I am a woman.
easyt65 said:Oh my apologies! The fact that youara woman makes all the difference in the cheap shot about dead soldiers, too! :roll:
aps said:I have to admit, that was kinda funny. :lol:
I don't get why you and oldreliable are so disgusted, but you two are entitled to your feelings. I honestly did not mean to offend anyone.
easyt65 said:Using a reference to dead Americans to prove a political point is disgusting. Not meaning to bash the Democrats, but the onlytime they acknowledge the military is when they are using it for their own political advantage!
Durbin's reference to our troops as Nazis while wrongly reading what he thought was a classified document in order to score political points was wrong! When he was told of his error (what he was reading and saying was incorrect), he refused to apologize!
Kerry's calling American soldiers is very reminiscent of his perjurous testimony beforre congress when he told how he had witnessed soldiers sommit war crimes in Viet Nam only to admit later that was false and thathe had onlydone it to jump-start his anti-war political career!
THAT is why we get upset and find such political opportunities at our soldiers' expense so wrong!
Inuyasha said:Hey aps, if the horse's mouth is in Iraq can you guess where the horse's @ss is?:lol: :lol:
No because people like Dean and the media would USE those pictures for their own agenda, as some politicians have.aps said:The media isn't allowed to show the coffins of those returning from Iraq. Why? Because of what kind of reaction people would have?
WOLFFE: The second point is, what are people thinking here? Of course, the media focuses on bad news, on death and violence. First of all, this is a war which has been hugely expensive in terms of blood and treasure. And secondly, that‘s the way life is. It‘s not a bias of the media. If it was a bias, then why has cable news talked about murders? Why don‘t they have whole shows that talk about childbirth?
You know, it just doesn‘t work like that. So it‘s incredibly naive, it‘s partisan, and it‘s ironic for people who claim to be rooting out bias to start saying we should be biased in how we report the war.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11975495/
oldreliable67 said:That is a disgustingly cheap shot. Very disappointing. That is so low, so demeaning, so disgusting, that words just fail me.
easyt65 said:Kerry's calling American soldiers is very reminiscent of his perjurous testimony beforre congress when he told how he had witnessed soldiers sommit war crimes in Viet Nam only to admit later that was false and thathe had onlydone it to jump-start his anti-war political career!
easyt65 said:No because people like Dean and the media would USE those pictures for their own agenda, as some politicians have.
("See the coffins of our dead returning home from the blah, blah war.")
The wife of the soldier talking to bush stood up and rattled off a laundry list of things happening in Iraq that the media here at home is/has ignored!
easyt65 said:The wife of a military jourrnalist just coming back from 13 months at Tikrit just stood up and BLASTED the biased, Al Jazeera-like media here in the states for displaying nothing but the negative side of what is going on in Iraq! She asked Bush what could be done to get the REAL story out.
After a standing ovation, Bush encouraged her to get the TRUTH out through word of mouth, through churches, the web, etc because the media won't change, and it is not the goverment's job to surpress the media (no matter how skewed by agenda it may be)!
:applaud :rock :bravo: :ind:
For all of those whoare going to ask why her husband didn't stand up and make the comment/ask the question, a military member is not allowed to stand up and make such a statement in public!
easyt65 said:You're right, that is a disgusting cheap shot, but everyone should have come to expect that from him and very little else!
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