Holy crap. I think the French just set a record for most distance traveled on the political compass within a single election cycle.
What's the matter guys? Decided the far left socialist policies weren't worth it after all?
The French have traditionally had strong far right support, the French National Front under Jean-Marie Le Pen being a case in point.
Holy crap. I think the French just set a record for most distance traveled on the political compass within a single election cycle.
What's the matter guys? Decided the far left socialist policies weren't worth it after all?
Not all that much... far right support grew in these last year in the wake of the sarkozy incompetence and further now thanks to the socialists incompetence.
Le Pen ran in the French presidential elections in 1974, 1988, 1995, 2002, and 2007. As noted above, he was not able to run for office in 1981, having failed to gather the necessary 500 signatures of elected officials. In the presidential elections of 2002, Le Pen obtained 16.86% of the votes in the first round of voting. This was enough to qualify him for the second round, as a result of the poor showing by the PS candidate and incumbent prime minister Lionel Jospin and the scattering of votes among 15 other candidates. This was a major political event, both nationally and internationally, as it was the first time someone with such far right views had qualified for the second round of the French presidential elections. There was a widespread stirring of national public opinion as virtually the entire French political spectrum from centre-right to centre-left united in fierce opposition to Le Pen's ideas. More than one million people in France took part in street rallies; slogans such as "vote for the crook, not the fascist" were heard in opposition to Le Pen.
The French have traditionally had strong far right support, the French National Front under Jean-Marie Le Pen being a case in point.
Any country that puts a socialist party in power TWICE doesn't exactly constitute a "historically far right support" in my book. Perhaps you have different standards though.
The Far Right have been a force in French politics for a while, with their most surprising result being in 2002 well before Sarkozy when they reached the second round vote in the French Presidential Elections.
BBC News | EUROPE | France stunned by Le Pen success
There are socialists in lots of countries but that does not mean there will not be a far right alternative or that it isn't also can't have a degree of popular support.
You're right, there are socialists in a lot of countries. Heck, there are socialists in the US, and the socialist-lite party owns the WH right now. But there is a huge difference between having socialists in a country and putting one in office. A country far enough left that would put one in office doesn't constitute a country with "far right support." Unless of course, you are suggesting that France is more heavily divided then we are.
Well 2002 is not that far away.. 11 years ago. and Chirac won in a saddam-hussein style landslide then. So it's not quite "big support". he was just the only other alternative and people who hated Chirac with a passion contributed to the electoral count of Le Pen's father. The majority of his votes were protest votes, not pro-votes.
There will always be some people supporting some faction. The FN in france grew more during the disaster that was Sarkozy and his divide-et-divide tactics on the working class and especially now from when the socialists took power.
And all the times the FN ran in the past, they got marginal wins. So you can't say that the far right have been a force in French politics in the past... but they are starting to look stronger today and especially in the past 4-5 years.
The issue is the following.
In Italy, the 5star movement made by beppo the comedian has 30% of popular support. In France, you get around 25%. The euroskeptic party in Austria gained a few % in the polls mostly from the lost votes of the governing party and in the UK you have UKIP that is growing more vocal and more bold. I predict there will be stormy seas ahead in the EU parliament and suspect the main 2 euroskeptic political formations will exceed, together, 100 people- 110 people. They currently have around 80 in total.
I don't think the FN or the 5star or any far right party will ever get their hands on power. Too much of a stigma attached to their political position. Which would be fine if the communist parties would also have it but in western europe... there isn't that kind of a stigma attached to the eurocommunists. But thankfully there aren't that many stupid people to vote for them.
The rise of the Far Right in France has not happened overnight which is the point I was making, it has occurred over a number of decades, with increasing support based around immigration and other such issues. It certainly was no surprise to read that Far Right have a significant vote in France, nor would it be in Italy or indeed Spain, both of which have a far greater history of fascism. In terms of UKIP it's hardly fascism, they merely want to curb immigration and pull out of the EU, although there recent party conference was a bit of an embarrassment with in-fighting and sackings.
Well... the FN is not a fascist organization either. It's just interpreted as such by people who hate them. they're very much pro-democracy, they just want to curb immigration and pull out of the EU and the euro too.
And I wasn't making the point that they happened overnight either. Just that their support base was lethargic in the past but has bloomed in the last 4-5 years especially due to failed Sarkozy policies and the failure of the current socialist administration.
and again you forget to acknowledge that the fn won the first turn in 2002 (which is hardly indicative of a lethargic support base) and was badly beaten in the second turn thanks to left-wingers voting en masse for chirac.
well 2002 is not that far away.. 11 years ago. And chirac won in a saddam-hussein style landslide then. So it's not quite "big support". He was just the only other alternative and people who hated chirac with a passion contributed to the electoral count of le pen's father. The majority of his votes were protest votes, not pro-votes.
what did i say in page 1:
Chirac won because leftists voted for him, le pen got 18% of the vote because a lot of people protest-voted against chirac. And neither got the president they wanted.
READ before posting.
I did read what you posted and page one. Which is why I'm surprised that you still claim that they were lethargic on page two.
FN has had double digits support for far longer than you are willing to acknowledge. It started in the 80's iirc.Why?
The 18% le pen won weren't from far right supporters only. The far right supporters were a part of the 18% but so were anti-chirac voters who wanted to do a protest-vote against chirac.
They were lethargic... more or less having single-digit support. The boost in 2002 came from people who hated the opponents of le pen more than le pen himself and his party.
It was only now, in recent years, that they broke double digits support consistently at a national level.
FN has had double digits support for far longer than you are willing to acknowledge. It started in the 80's iirc.
National Front (France) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oh yes, having 2 ppl in the national parliament, 3 in the EU and 118 in regional councils is surely "big support".
The French have traditionally had strong far right support, the French National Front under Jean-Marie Le Pen being a case in point.
Oh yes, having 2 ppl in the national parliament, 3 in the EU and 118 in regional councils is surely "big support".
Was that the guy that offed himself in Notre Dame?
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