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Freedom of Religion vs the Mandate to Evolve [W 65]

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Dooble said:
If schools understand that evolution cannot explain away God, and they present the subject in this light, then I have no problem with my kid sitting in their classrooms.
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Why would they even mention god in relation to evolution. The two have nothing to do with each other.
 

Applying personal experience with one school to a broad spectrum, public schools across the country, does not provide valid rationale for saying ALL schools act as your personal experience has shown with one school.
 

That's not my point. To be fair to all sides, nothing of a judgmental nature should be taught unless all sides can be taught. And since all sides cannot be taught, nothing should be said at all.
 
Redress said:
Why would they even mention god in relation to evolution. The two have nothing to do with each other.
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They may or they may not, but it is not for state schools to tell.
 
Dooble said:
If schools understand that evolution cannot explain away God, and they present the subject in this light, then I have no problem with my kid sitting in their classrooms.
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Schools do not discuss God when teaching evolution, so you have nothing to worry about.
 
Artevelde said:
They may or they may not, but it is not for state schools to tell.
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Science does not study the question of god. Whether god had a hand in evolution is in no way knowable. God has nothing to do with the study of evolution, and evolution has nothing to do with god in this context.
 
ernst barkmann said:
so government can take my money, and teach my religion sucks?
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If you are a citizen of the country and your religion teaches X, X being something that does not coincide with reality, then YES - your children attending a public school will be taught that your religion "sucks"

If you interpret a school directive that says your child may not physically or verbally abuse other students as the equivalent of saying your religion "sucks", you have a problem with the system of the place you reside.
 
Redress said:
Science does not study the question of god. Whether god had a hand in evolution is in no way knowable. God has nothing to do with the study of evolution, and evolution has nothing to do with god in this context.
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You rephrased what I wrote.
 
Artevelde said:
You rephrased what I wrote.
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Not exactly, no. I made what you actually did say superfluous. School is not taking a position on god in terms of evolution since it has nothing to do with it.
 

I don't hate anyone other than those who's actions are harmful to others. You want to equate the fact the I find homosexuality to be an aberration of normal sexual impulses and Marriage, even today, to have evolved from instincts to take a mate and care for the offspring of that mating to be hatred. Hatred has nothing to do with it, other than most homosexuals are leftist, but then that is hate for their action which are harmful to our society and the human race, not their sexuality.
 

How is homosexuality harmful to our society? And, no, normal sexual impulses include homosexual behaviors (see: Nature).
 
Redress said:
Not exactly, no. I made what you actually did say superfluous. School is not taking a position on god in terms of evolution since it has nothing to do with it.
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I kinda get Artevelde's point, although I think there is a bit of misunderstanding on his part. And, Redress, though I personally agree that god has nothing to do with evolution such positive statements can cause reading failure amongst some who post here.
 
Redress said:
Not exactly, no. I made what you actually did say superfluous. School is not taking a position on god in terms of evolution since it has nothing to do with it.
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Now you are writing something which is at variance with what you wrote before. Whether or not God had anything to do with evolution is not something the school can judge about. God may have something to do with it or not. But since the school (a state school that is) cannot Judge it cannot and should not deal with God one way or another when teaching evolution theory.
 
Redress said:
Why would they even mention god in relation to evolution. The two have nothing to do with each other.
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Because tests have been conducted to see if life can begin without intelligent interference. You know atheists are feverish in their attempts to discover that brainless forces are responsible for the origination of mankind. It's not a stretch to say that this kind of nonsense could creep into children's text books.
 

Well that's good because gods are certainly not discussed in positive or negative ways when discussing evolution.
 
And? What does this have to do with evolution?
Dooble said:
Because tests have been conducted to see if life can begin without intelligent interference.
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Only atheists believe the Theory of Evolution provides the best explanation for the "origination of mankind"?
You know atheists are feverish in their attempts to discover that brainless forces are responsible for the origination of mankind.
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Specifically, what "kind of nonsense" are you talking about?
It's not a stretch to say that this kind of nonsense could creep into children's text books.
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I did not mean to suggest you did hate them. I said you where free to, not that you did. It's that liberal reading comprehension, so vile...

By the way, you are aware that evolution can account for homosexuality? That that being the case, it kinda ruins your whole argument?
 

That would be a problem if I had actually said that. Let's see what I actually said:

Redress said:
Why would they even mention god in relation to evolution. The two have nothing to do with each other.
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Redress said:
Science does not study the question of god. Whether god had a hand in evolution is in no way knowable. God has nothing to do with the study of evolution, and evolution has nothing to do with god in this context.
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Evolution is a science. God is not part of the study of science. Why is this hard?
 

Evolution has nothing to do with life beginning. Evolution does not start until there is life.
 

Abiogenesis and Evolution are two separate areas of study. Both should be included in a science text book...
 
"Mandate to Evolve"? Shouldn't we get the License to Mutate first?
 
Dooble said:
If schools understand that evolution cannot explain away God, and they present the subject in this light, then I have no problem with my kid sitting in their classrooms.
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God doesn't need to be mentioned at all to teach evolution. Whatever gave you that idea?
 
Atheists are feverish in their attempts?!? Sorry, but that deserves a :lamo


The experiments on abiogenesis is science and has nothing to do with religion - or evolution for that matter. I can think of no good reason for any textbook or teacher to broach the subject of religion in science class. That's just fear mongering.
 
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