It's taken from Ikari's response below:What the hell is this mandate to evolve?
Evolve or die, there is no try.
The media too. And let's not forget Hollywood.Yep and as long as they have the heavy hand of big government to change reality what we think won't matter much.
The media too. And let's not forget Hollywood.
Which is more crucial?
I've been hearing this kind of language quite a bit lately, so I thought I'd make a poll and see where everyone else stands on this idiotic notion.
what is "mandate to evolve"? some wierd hippy stuff?
Trollspeak, in your book, is anything that doesn't elicit a sexual tickle.I think it is trollspeak.
I know not that particular tongue.
Who told you to remove the light?
I'm cool with it.Actually, lots of religious people don't want to have their beliefs examined or their secrets told. That's why the Vatican just made it a crime to reveal their secrets.
Which is more crucial?
what is "mandate to evolve"? some wierd hippy stuff?
Don't you worry, rathi, I'll keep you out of the dark. It's about keeping the light on the gay agenda.
Far as I can tell it's to embrace the notion of same sex marriage. I'm sure there will be more to it as the expression evolves, itself.
You already have chosen; so has the SC, and many other Americans. Now I've shifted my focus to Ikari's mandate to "evolve, or die". Should religions have the freedom to deny SSM within their own congregations, or should they allow it? The consequences are already in place, right? Or is Ikari just blowing out noxious fumes?Why can't we have freedom of religion and gay marriage? Why would we have to choose?
You already have chosen, and so has the SC. Now I've shifted my focus to Ikari's mandate to "evolve, or die". Should religions have the freedom to deny SSM within their own congregations, or should they allow it?
Except the looming threat that if they don't "evolve", they will die. No big deal, right Quag?No one is forcing anything on them
Except the looming threat that if they don't "evolve", they will die. No big deal, right Quag?
It's just the way it is. Things evolve. You either evolve, or your left behind. Society changes. We wear mixed fabrics now, we don't stone women for small offenses, we ended slavery. And at each turn there were people fighting the change, they were just bred out over time as the system evolved. And here we have the same thing. We are growing and we are becoming more accepting of homosexuality as we learn that human is human. There are people fighting it now, but they'll be left behind and in a few decades at most people will look back on us now and wonder why there were ever people who rallied against homosexuals.
Just the way of the world. It has nothing to do with religious freedom, the religions are free to express whatever they want. But religion will change as man changes, religion is a reflection of ourselves. And like churches in the days of ol' called for the death of heathens and even lit the fire themselves in some instances, religion will leave behind the barbaric and irrational practices as man and society change.
You already have chosen; so has the SC, and many other Americans. Now I've shifted my focus to Ikari's mandate to "evolve, or die". Should religions have the freedom to deny SSM within their own congregations, or should they allow it? The consequences are already in place, right? Or is Ikari just blowing out noxious fumes?
Is the above post the one you're referring to? I don't see those words contained within his post. I think you misunderstand what his point which I believe is that the world is going to keep on changing and evolving with or without the religious folks. If they choose to continue to view some things the way they do, they will end up being irrelevant.
What consequences? That bigots and irrational haters are a dying breed and will soon go the way of other racists and idiots? Perhaps, hopefully so.
So was the rule change to permit mixed blends of fabric a form of coercion? Did the cotton industry get to you on that one? What about all the reasons we don't stone women anymore? Coercion? Who got you there? What other conspiracy theory against religion since the depths of mankind's existence do you subscribe to? Just gays? Oh that's a conspiracy, but not all the other reinterpretations, relaxing or forgetting of rules? Those don't count?
Face it, we as a species evolve. We grow up, we learn and we grow and we experience and we bank it all in our collective knowledge. And as we grow we become more accepting of things and we will continue in this manner. And religion, which is a reflection of mankind, will change right along with us. Here's a stat for you. There has NEVER been an infinitely stable religion in the entire history of humanity. It all changes as humans change.
Evolve or die, there is no try.
It was in a different thread:
That's the full of it, you can follow the link to see exactly what I was responding to. But in the end, this is his misunderstanding. I never once said that churches would be forced to perform SSM. In fact many times in the past and now I have explicitly stated that Churches cannot be forced to perform SSM, they must decide their own practices for themselves. My ultimate point, however, was that everything evolves and now we as a species and society are moving forwards towards the acceptance of the SS community and as we continue to go, more and more are going to learn to accept and live with it. Many churches will start to recognize and perform SSM as religion is a reflection of mankind and as we evolve, so do our religions.
I think Dooble takes considerable offense to the word "evolve" and hasn't given consideration into what it means. The opinions of those like Dooble are dying out and will die in time. I'm not saying he can't hold them or espouse them; but it's a dying sentiment and in time it will be gone. Everything evolves, nothing is static. Static is stagnation, and stagnation is death. Just the way of nature.
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