Matt Foley
Death2Globalists
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yes, I am very familiar with the history of racism and the use of race-baiting to disrupt arguments.
Hey no offense, Orwellian propagandist, but I don't want to live in the same country as you, you creep me out.
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ok man, whatever you say.
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ok man, that's fine.
Until America figures it out? Who is America if not the consumers within? How can an arbitrary political construct "figure" anything out? Can you not see that America, from an economic perspective, is nothing more than the aggregation of millions of individuals? If a mafia of 546 dictate to the remaining 300 million serfs how the "problems" will be solved then how do you expect anyone to be free? How do you expect 546 individuals to determine the best way for 300,000,000 individuals to live their own lives? Your logic baffles me.
Sometimes not even then.Or you're a 9 year old, they love emotes and going "LMAO" allot. Children are hopelessly institutionalized, won't be able to think for themselves to they hit 40.
Nothing you said has anything to do with imposing tariffs to promote American production and industry. This outsourcing and imbalanced trade crap is destroying our economy. The market is saturated with cheap **** made in China, we have the means to produce, we do produce, but the consumer will always buy the cheaper product. Tariffs make the foreign product more expensive than the domestic. There's nothing baffling about it.
so you are in favor of making it harder for poor people to provide for themselves in order to benefit upper-middle class union members?
They've done more than their fair share to demonize free trade.Unions don't have anything to do with outsourcing.
Companies outsource because they can Chinese workers next to nothing,require them to work for 80 hours a week for that next to nothing pay and not have to worry about any worker and environmental safety laws. If unions were the problem then these companies would have moved to right to work states.
It could be argued that since you favor uncontrolled outsourcing that you favor helping communist and that you favor helping to fund the Chinese army. Amazing how die hard party-tard republicans claim to be patriotic and used to bash communist but now are globalist pieces of **** who support funding a communist government and military.
They've done more than their fair share to demonize free trade.
Companies outsource because the price of employing only U.S workers would be far too great to justify maintaining the current prices at which their products currently reside.
Increased labor output leads to higher prices, which leads to decreased sales and lessened ability to expand (or retain for that matter) their workforce and consumer base alike.
Forcing companies to remain stagnant would be highly detrimental to companies which happen to preside in fields with competitors on the global scale (i.e. all of them.)
The idea of utilizing only American labor is an wonderful notion, but unfortunately it is both highly unrealistic and counterproductive.
I am not worried about those other countries.Other countries should not be uplifted at the expense of American jobs.If you want to uplift China,Mexico or some other country then do so at your own expense.If we had placed ideologically founded restrictions on trade in the past on a large scale as you suggest, a large chunk of the countries that currently purchase large amounts of our debt and consumer goods alike presently would likely still be quasi third world civilizations with infinitely lower standards of living.
so you are in favor of making it harder for poor people to provide for themselves in order to benefit upper-middle class union members?
Unions don't have anything to do with outsourcing.
Companies outsource because they can Chinese workers next to nothing,require them to work for 80 hours a week for that next to nothing pay and not have to worry about any worker and environmental safety laws. If unions were the problem then these companies would have moved to right to work states.
It could be argued that since you favor uncontrolled outsourcing that you favor helping communist and that you favor helping to fund the Chinese army
:roll:Amazing how die hard party-tard republicans claim to be patriotic and used to bash communist but now are globalist pieces of **** who support funding a communist government and military.
The status quo of our heavily imbalanced trade with foreign nations creates more poverty by giving American jobs to the Chinese, instead of using our own domestic resources and people. Cheaper production is stealing American jobs, not creating them, and only benefits the corporate heads and large business owners. Maintaining this status quo is ****ing the lower classes over by reducing the amount of jobs and opportunities available to them.
Furthermore, I'm tired of all these bull**** appeals to the poor, as though the people who use these hollow attempts really give two ****s about the lower classes. It's no different than the political squabbles and chest beating politicians do to declare who supports the troops the most. It's ****ing gay.
That is incorrect. Cheaper production lowers the cost of living helping consumers, and most helping those who consume the largest portion of their income (the poor). By lowering the cost of living, consumers have increased disposable wealth, which leads to increased job formation. Those who claim that trade decreases wealth are forgetting the forest for the fallen tree.
:shrug: it's just worth pointing out that your proposed solution actually ****s over the people you claim to want to help.
I don't care about the poor either way. What I do care about is bringing production and industry back into the United States.That is incorrect. Cheaper production lowers the cost of living helping consumers, and most helping those who consume the largest portion of their income (the poor). By lowering the cost of living, consumers have increased disposable wealth, which leads to increased job formation. Those who claim that trade decreases wealth are forgetting the forest for the fallen tree.
:shrug: it's just worth pointing out that your proposed solution actually ****s over the people you claim to want to help.
Considering the wages Chinese workers make.23-37 cents an hour.....
Which means the typical American blue collar worker is grossly overpaid.
In that extremely narrow perspective, you are ONLY looking at people as consumers and not as full persons who must also earn a living so that they can then take that money and buy what they need.
Yes, outsourcing manufacturing and using child labor in third world nations gives us cheaper toilet paper and toothpaste. And most folks like cheaper items at the store. But when doing so takes away jobs from Americans which would be paying them higher wages with good benefits and other fringes, the entire package is NOT a good bargain for working class people in America.
I don't care about the poor either way. What I do care about is bringing production and industry back into the United States.
It never left. U.S. Manufacturing Remains World’s Largest
There is no better reason for us to be an economy that produces our own toothpaste than there is for you to be a person who makes his own auto tires. If that's our strength, great. If not, we should maximize our productive strengths.
Not only does the US lead the industrialized world in manufacturing, the cause of the slight dip in stateside manufacturing has been grossly misrepresented. Also, manufacturing output is increasing at a steady rate, while employment in mentioned fields is shrinking at a faster pace in dreaded China than here stateside (China lost approximately 15 million manufacturing positions between 1995 and 2002). It seems apparent that the real culprit for the widespread loss in manufacturing related employment would be technology and efficiency, not a seemingly sudden deficit in patriotism, yet a large amount of Americans are apparently in denial about the bleak prospects of manufacturing accounting for a significant percentage of the total work force in the foreseeable future.It never left. U.S. Manufacturing Remains World’s Largest
There is no better reason for us to be an economy that produces our own toothpaste than there is for you to be a person who makes his own auto tires. If that's our strength, great. If not, we should maximize our productive strengths.
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