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I mean, there are website that essentially have no rules. If you don't mind seeing child porn you can always go to 8chan and have nearly perfect free speech. After a few seconds there you will probably realize why most people choose to stick with website that moderate or have TOS.Since free speech on the internet is difficult given the reliance on third parties to transmit or access it, what about the Press instead? What makes the Press the Press such that it is free from govt infringement. If I were to print flyers, am I the Press?
And if so, would this be a way to more easily achieve free speech? Produce a newspaper, allow anyone to say anything they want in it, print it myself, deliver it myself. Can anyone stop me?
The equivalent is impossible on the internet, which requires internet providers, wireless or cable companies, network protocol associations.
Thoughts?
re: substack, which faces the same problems. If third parties want to deplatform them, they can. Is the Press more free?
Are Newsletters the Future of Free Speech?
"Society has a trust problem," Substack co-founders Hamish McKenzie, Chris Best, and Jairaj Sethi declared in a joint statement late…reason.com
Since free speech on the internet is difficult given the reliance on third parties to transmit or access it, what about the Press instead? What makes the Press the Press such that it is free from govt infringement. If I were to print flyers, am I the Press?
And if so, would this be a way to more easily achieve free speech? Produce a newspaper, allow anyone to say anything they want in it, print it myself, deliver it myself. Can anyone stop me?
The equivalent is impossible on the internet, which requires internet providers, wireless or cable companies, network protocol associations.
Thoughts?
re: substack, which faces the same problems. If third parties want to deplatform them, they can. Is the Press more free?
Are Newsletters the Future of Free Speech?
"Society has a trust problem," Substack co-founders Hamish McKenzie, Chris Best, and Jairaj Sethi declared in a joint statement late…reason.com
I mean, there are website that essentially have no rules. If you don't mind seeing child porn you can always go to 8chan and have nearly perfect free speech. After a few seconds there you will probably realize why most people choose to stick with website that moderate or have TOS.
Well, as a journalist manque, I seem to remember the saying that "There is freedom of the press only for those who own a press."Thoughts?
Yeah, they could...but they haven't been. Like, 4chan has been up for decades. They are just slightly more strict when it comes to criminal activity than 8chan is.But those websites rely on third parties to get the speech out. So they arent truly free. The ISPs, DNS providers, etc could deplatform them.
My point was that websites exist that have so few rules literal criminal activity happens on them on a regular basis and they aren't shut down.Also child pron is not speech. Thats criminal action.
Yeah, they could...but they haven't been. Like, 4chan has been up for decades. They are just slightly more strict when it comes to criminal activity than 8chan is.
My point was that websites exist that have so few rules literal criminal activity happens on them on a regular basis and they aren't shut down.
Well, as a journalist manque, I seem to remember the saying that "There is freedom of the press only for those who own a press."
So, yes, you could easily print your own newspaper, but when established papers are dying off, and even the famous alternative weeklies of the last century are mostly defunct, you might have a hard time finding readers even if your paper were free.
Niche weeklies still might have a chance. Here in Los Angeles, there is a very professionally produced free weekly called the Jewish Journal that is really interesting. It's also online.
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There are both blockchain and P2P methods of online organizing. I'm not saying your concern is entirely misplaced, but with technology as it stands the internet would have to be entirely shutdown altogether to make it less effective at rallying people than handing out flyers.Right, but they CAN be shutdown once critical mass and the right people are involved. Look at Parlor. Substack goes through Cloudflare, so they can simply cancel their account. If they use Amazon, they can cancel their host. Even if they host themselves, the need an ISP to get on the line. What happens when Comcast starts blocking people who say, on their own server, the election was stolen and peopel should revolt.
It was, but they relaunched it under a different name which is still up.And actually 8chan was taken down.
There are both blockchain and P2P methods of online organizing. I'm not saying your concern is entirely misplaced, but with technology as it stands the internet would have to be entirely shutdown altogether to make it less effective at rallying people than handing out flyers.
It was, but they relaunched it under a different name which is still up.
Yes.If I were to print flyers, am I the Press?
Since free speech on the internet is difficult given the reliance on third parties to transmit or access it, what about the Press instead? What makes the Press the Press such that it is free from govt infringement. If I were to print flyers, am I the Press?
And if so, would this be a way to more easily achieve free speech? Produce a newspaper, allow anyone to say anything they want in it, print it myself, deliver it myself. Can anyone stop me?
The equivalent is impossible on the internet, which requires internet providers, wireless or cable companies, network protocol associations.
Thoughts?
What if Im just a publisher like twitter is?First, the "Press" when referred to in the Constitution concerns communication media. There was no Television, Radio, or Internet back then. The sole "media" were publications of various kinds, i.e. Books, Newspapers, Pamphlets, letters, Flyers, etc., all produced on a printing press.
However, with the development of modern media, (television, radio, etc.) the term has expanded to cover those as well. So in answer to your first AND second questions, yes you would be protected as an individual and a publisher if you "print flyers." Just note that such "freedom" does not protect any "publisher" from slander or libel law.
So that leads to your third question, can anyone stop you. Again, you are free to publish your speech howsoever you wish. But you remain subject to civil liability and possible criminal liability if such publications are found to be libel and/or threats.
What if Im just a publisher like twitter is?
Since free speech on the internet is difficult given the reliance on third parties to transmit or access it, what about the Press instead? What makes the Press the Press such that it is free from govt infringement. If I were to print flyers, am I the Press?
And if so, would this be a way to more easily achieve free speech? Produce a newspaper, allow anyone to say anything they want in it, print it myself, deliver it myself. Can anyone stop me?
The equivalent is impossible on the internet, which requires internet providers, wireless or cable companies, network protocol associations.
Thoughts?
re: substack, which faces the same problems. If third parties want to deplatform them, they can. Is the Press more free?
Are Newsletters the Future of Free Speech?
"Society has a trust problem," Substack co-founders Hamish McKenzie, Chris Best, and Jairaj Sethi declared in a joint statement late…reason.com
Since free speech on the internet is difficult given the reliance on third parties to transmit or access it, what about the Press instead? What makes the Press the Press such that it is free from govt infringement. If I were to print flyers, am I the Press?
And if so, would this be a way to more easily achieve free speech? Produce a newspaper, allow anyone to say anything they want in it, print it myself, deliver it myself. Can anyone stop me?
The equivalent is impossible on the internet, which requires internet providers, wireless or cable companies, network protocol associations.
Thoughts?
re: substack, which faces the same problems. If third parties want to deplatform them, they can. Is the Press more free?
Are Newsletters the Future of Free Speech?
"Society has a trust problem," Substack co-founders Hamish McKenzie, Chris Best, and Jairaj Sethi declared in a joint statement late…reason.com
I mean, there are website that essentially have no rules. If you don't mind seeing child porn you can always go to 8chan and have nearly perfect free speech. After a few seconds there you will probably realize why most people choose to stick with website that moderate or have TOS.
Free speech is not difficult on the Internet. Third parties are essentially granted immunity from civil prosecution under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 (47 U.S.C. § 230).Since free speech on the internet is difficult given the reliance on third parties to transmit or access it, what about the Press instead? What makes the Press the Press such that it is free from govt infringement. If I were to print flyers, am I the Press?
And if so, would this be a way to more easily achieve free speech? Produce a newspaper, allow anyone to say anything they want in it, print it myself, deliver it myself. Can anyone stop me?
The equivalent is impossible on the internet, which requires internet providers, wireless or cable companies, network protocol associations.
Thoughts?
re: substack, which faces the same problems. If third parties want to deplatform them, they can. Is the Press more free?
Are Newsletters the Future of Free Speech?
"Society has a trust problem," Substack co-founders Hamish McKenzie, Chris Best, and Jairaj Sethi declared in a joint statement late…reason.com
I mean, there are website that essentially have no rules. If you don't mind seeing child porn you can always go to 8chan and have nearly perfect free speech. After a few seconds there you will probably realize why most people choose to stick with website that moderate or have TOS.
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