What's unbelievable is your reaction. Nowhere did I suggest giving them a pass. They did what they did, for whatever stupid reason they pulled the prank. The over reaction is indicting the school, the state, the country, the fraternity as some of you seem to enjoy doing in your race to satisfy some sort of racist based guilt.
That said, a college kid gets caught mooning passersbys from a moving vehicle. That could buy them the same consequence as a pervert flasher receives/ The key is judgement. One of these things is not like the other.
Where did I do any of those things. Go back and find where I indicted the whole state of Mississippi, the college, or in fact anyone other than them. You were complaining about how their "lives and careers are impacted forever...." Yes, they are impacted by the stupid decision that they made.
Your contention wass that their lives shouldn't be impacted. In other words: "no punishment." Now you're backpedaling.
Question: If I'm in the kitchen with someone, I lose my balance and bump into them, and they fall on the stove and burn their hand, does it make it hurt any less?
What I find surprising is that racial tolerance seems to be inversely related to living in populations with low racial diversity. Obama's share of the white vote increased in states where there was lower levels of black population. Odd, isn't it?
Only if you assume the correlation is causation. Got a link?
If I had to guess it would be that certain states that have high levels of black population might also have had more widespread and deeply entrenched racism at one point in history (ie, the South). In which case it would hardly be surprising to find that such states are bringing up the rear in terms of racial tolerance.
Only if you assume the correlation is causation. Got a link?
If I had to guess it would be that certain states that have high levels of black population might also have had more widespread and deeply entrenched racism at one point in history (ie, the South). In which case it would hardly be surprising to find that such states are bringing up the rear in terms of racial tolerance.
Oh for God's sake. A kid prank. Yeah, it's a racist prank. The kids probably aren't. Who knows?
Frankly, I think the fraternity HQ over-reacted. If anything, the kids should have been suspended from the school.
When you suspend them, you flirt with violating their 1st Amendment rights.
I'd counter with the Cosby Show Effect. Whites with little exposure to black community have an idealized vision.
What social science tells us is that multiculturalism destroys the fabric of society,
so heavily multicultural societies are going to have more racial division that is seen in more homogeneous societies, or states, or cities.
After all, liberals flock to Vermont and Portland and not to Detroit and Birmingham where they would have more opportunity to bite into the delicious fruit of multiculturalism.
I don't buy that. Being disciplined for defacing a statue, burning a cross, things like that are certainly not violating one's 1st Amendment Rights. They had the right to SAY what they pleased. They crossed that line.
You're surprised these states show signs of racial intolerance? Are you surprised when water is wet too?
It's self-evident that a homogenous society isn't going to have much racial division - there's nothing to divide.
That doesn't mean that homogenous societies are necessarily more racially tolerant.
It is Mississippi, a solid red state so no real surprise there.
There may be a correlation, yes, but I don't think it's as strong as we liberals perceive. Every single white American is vulnerable to engaging in racism and thus must look within himself or herself to weed out any racism that may (and probably does) still exist.
It makes it an accident VS intentional. It can make a world of difference. Imagine if my husband accidentally hurt me VS intentionally hurt me. One is 'no biggie, you didn't mean to' and the other is '**** off - I'm leaving'
Intent matters a lot in our country in a variety of ways.
By expelling the students I believe they're saying that the 'intent was to be hateful - not just silly'
So every comedian who made a racial joke is guilty of racism, though their intent was obviously in jest.
/snooze
Pull up a definition of racism and explain how this action meets the definition of racism.
It certainly meets the definition of insensitive, thoughtless, provocative, but not racist.
Nope
and where did you blah blah blah blah
So you want me to provide a definition of "racism," but before I even do that, you preemptively claim that this incident was not racist? That's a rather strange debate tactic you are using.
Why is that strange to you? Oh, I get it, you thought I was asking you to pull up a definition so that I could learn the definition. No, that would be a crazy request. If I wanted to refresh my memory on the definition then I could just look for myself and not bother with asking you to look for my benefit.
I asked you to look it up because you were misusing the term and thought that YOU could use a refresher.
Understand now?
Are you here to have an honest debate, or are you just trying to talk down to me? Methinks your justification for your white privilege is being challenged, and you are deeply offended by that. This is a VERY common reaction from whites when confronted with racism.
he's just trying to talk down to you and anyone else he can get his hands on.
Are you here to have an honest debate, or are you just trying to talk down to me? Methinks your justification for your white privilege is being challenged, and you are deeply offended by that. This is a VERY common reaction from whites when confronted with racism.
If you want an honest debate then you should debate honestly. Don't make up definitions for words, read honestly what your interlocutor writes, and don't insult the good faith of others when they challenge you by accurately responding to what you have written.
Indeed. Been there done that.Indeed. But the exposition of his white privilege is worth a temporary aggravation.
Indeed. But the exposition of his white privilege is worth a temporary aggravation. After all, my white privilege allows me to leave this thread--and this issue--at any time. People of color do not have that privilege.
The question is why there is a relationship. Why does discord increase as the size of the black population increases?
Weren't Virginia and South Carolina in the Old South alongside Mississippi and Alabama and didn't they all share some common culture? So why a correlation?
It's not as self-evident as you imagine. It's quite possible for a mostly homogeneous society to have a virulent reaction to a small minority community - say what happens when Gypsies arrive into town. Or maybe not. Liberals imagine that there should be no racial division in a very multicultural society. Your criticism presumes exactly what social science reports - introduce racial diversity and division will increase. So if you already understand this, then I didn't tell you anything new. If you were a liberal who believed that there was no connection between racial diversity and division in society, then I would have been telling you something not self-evident. You understand that point, right?
Of course it doesn't. The people who live in liberal whiteopias rarely get to test their racial tolerance, unlike the people in live in very diverse states like Mississippi.
Stop. Your direct answer was sufficient. You do not need to try to justify their acts.
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