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Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade apologizes for saying mentally ill homeless people should be executed

Well...that's nice of him. It was the polite thing to do.



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The party of toning down inflammatory rhetoric, folks. Because that kind of thing gets people killed.

So Matthew Dowd says "You know, maybe Charlie Kirk wasn't always the nicest guy" and gets fired, but Kilmeade actually explicitly calls for executing the most vulnerable people Nazi style and he gets away with an apology. Such is the blatantly obvious double standard of today's "conservatism."
 
If what you're saying is true, then homelessness as a percentage of the US population should have skyrocketed.
Remember when mail was first delivered electronically, and people said it would put people out of work and the homeless rate would skyrocket?

But it fell. Wild.
 
Killing people because they are inconvenient is always wrong. Sweden had a eugenics policy in place until the 1970s. No we cannot agree, unless it is the express wish of such an individual that they want to end their life with dignity, and not because someone else believes their lives are worthless..

I agree death is a right and should be medically an option to everyone. I personally feel there is a point where someone who screams in tongues for hours isn't really living a life worth much to them anymore. Not about my sense of worth of them, ideally there are those with kind hearts that want to help best they can so they can be at least happy enough. But without that system in place, being severally mentally ill and homeless, my nihilistic approach is mercy killing. It's more my reaction to a hopeless situation for them in this moment, I'd never promote it as the first or second idea.
 
I agree death is a right and should be medically an option to everyone. I personally feel there is a point where someone who screams in tongues for hours isn't really living a life worth much to them anymore. Not about my sense of worth of them, ideally there are those with kind hearts that want to help best they can so they can be at least happy enough. But without that system in place, being severally mentally ill and homeless, my nihilistic approach is mercy killing. It's more my reaction to a hopeless situation for them in this moment, I'd never promote it as the first or second idea.
Hitler's Nazis killed the mentally ill for the same reason you espouse. Nobody has the right to decide the worth of another's life.

 
Hitler's Nazis killed the mentally ill for the same reason you espouse. Nobody has the right to decide the worth of another's life.

Nazis did and said a lot of things that aren't exactly Nazi originated ideas. I don't think it's fair to imply I am for their level of social order building and selective breeding simply for being a nihilist when it comes to the mentally ill whose illness causes them great mental grief and strife. Let's just compromise and say euthanasia should be an individual choice first, a family decision second in cases they can't even speak properly, and very last down other pipelines is the state with medical review boards and not social scientists, and only for cases that the patient is only living a life of mental pain.
 
Well...that's nice of him. It was the polite thing to do.



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The party of toning down inflammatory rhetoric, folks. Because that kind of thing gets people killed.

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Why the question mark?
Cause I was confused that you didn't read the thread first before assuming that is my position. I even apologized for that post not explaining it properly and realize I was coming off as if I agreed with Killme's version of property value management and not, iunno, the very real segment of humans with half their brain missing either literally or metaphorically.
 
before assuming that is my position.
Hmmmm, was this not what you said.........
I mean, is he wrong?
Or how about this part.............
Can we both agree that at some point understanding and realistic recovery is impossible unless someone trades their own life to the cause? Obviously Kilmeade is front of the list, but I'm not saying no his idea.
So, if you are NOT saying NO to his idea, then it would be prudent to ask..................
So you think homeless people should be put to death?
Since you are NOT saying NO to what Kilmeade suggested.

Then you answered with a no? - question mark.

Were you asking if it was ok to say no or you weren't sure?

I simply don't think there is much beyond euthanasia to help in that situation.
So then it appears, that in certain cases, you apparently DO approve of killing homeless people. I mean, it's not like you can walk back your comments once they were made.
AND WHO gets to decide which ones should be euthanized? Should there be a council of wise and thoughtful people who would be wise enough to know WHO deserves to live and who should die?
 
Hmmmm, was this not what you said.........

Or how about this part.............

So, if you are NOT saying NO to his idea, then it would be prudent to ask..................

Since you are NOT saying NO to what Kilmeade suggested.

Then you answered with a no? - question mark.

Were you asking if it was ok to say no or you weren't sure?


So then it appears, that in certain cases, you apparently DO approve of killing homeless people. I mean, it's not like you can walk back your comments once they were made.
AND WHO gets to decide which ones should be euthanized? Should there be a council of wise and thoughtful people who would be wise enough to know WHO deserves to live and who should die?
Oh, that's some time and dedication to breaking me down. Respect. I own my words, I admit they were both wrong, and wrong of my true intentions. Mae culpa. I said my thoughts and even detailed how I actually view my opinion on possible avenues. We can talk over comments I can't walk back from and nod in agreement I was wrong. Any chance you want to dedicate more time dissecting my recent posts? I'm more of a "forward debater" interested in different perspectives kind of gal.
 
I mean, is he wrong? Look, I hate eugenics, or dark shadows that force silently repoing body parts, sure. Can we both agree that at some point understanding and realistic recovery is impossible unless someone trades their own life to the cause? Obviously Kilmeade is front of the list, but I'm not saying no his idea.
What a twisted, disgusting position to take.
Do you know what the word 'murder' means?
 
It's ****ing texas! a majority of texas is red. But nice try.
But our major metropolitan areas are Democratic bastions and doing quite well amidst all that red.
 
Oh, that's some time and dedication to breaking me down. Respect. I own my words, I admit they were both wrong, and wrong of my true intentions. Mae culpa. I said my thoughts and even detailed how I actually view my opinion on possible avenues. We can talk over comments I can't walk back from and nod in agreement I was wrong. Any chance you want to dedicate more time dissecting my recent posts? I'm more of a "forward debater" interested in different perspectives kind of gal.
To give you credit, you are one of the few on here who has admitted they were wrong. Most on here double down, triple down. Just choose your words more carefully.
I should know of what I am talking about, been here long enough and have been spanked often enough by the authorities to know how to be more careful with my wording.
Even then, none of us are perfect. Saying Kilmeade isn't necessarily wrong when he was monstrously wrong was not a good way of expressing yourself. Good job recognizing that.
 
To give you credit, you are one of the few on here who has admitted they were wrong. Most on here double down, triple down. Just choose your words more carefully.
I should know of what I am talking about, been here long enough and have been spanked often enough by the authorities to know how to be more careful with my wording.
Even then, none of us are perfect. Saying Kilmeade isn't necessarily wrong when he was monstrously wrong was not a good way of expressing yourself. Good job recognizing that.
Thanks. I've been lurking right wing and debate forums for over a decade now and know who is who and how people operate now a days. Like anyone buys anyone here never made a mistake lol dad is like that, allergic to apologizing and triple raw dawg down on being factually incorrect.

I find a nugget of truth in his words but recognize them as wrong coming out of his mouth. I can live with fact my idea is both insanely radical but, in my eyes, ethical. Eugenics is a natural concept to me but I don't trust a single soul on this earth to be judge and executioner so get why it's a loaded evil concept.

Euthanasia to me should be patient first, family second, medical team third, and congress folks barred from the hospital. Only in cases of undeniable negative quality life. Not just being homeless.

I strive to change my opinions, I self grow as a hobby, and really am just begging for a solution besides my own. Right now, with no state solution, homelessness is a cruel fate to with mental illnesses far gone beyond medical intervention.
 
and let's remind everyone who was the president that closed those institutions ;)
Due mostly to popular opinion JFK got the ball rolling with passing legislation to issue grants to states to build treatment clinics for mental patients. States supported it to ease the cost of providing mental health services. I lived in So Calif from 1960 to 2021 as a voting adult (Democrat at first) and have very vivid memories of the activity. At the time I didn't think it was a good idea and looking at the way it's gone since it seems I was right. Whatever the reason, the clinics were never built. You have to remember this was in Calif.
As President, Reagan signed legislation again giving grants to the states for mental health clinics.
wellbeingport.com/when-did-most-mental-hospitals-close/
www.toacorn.com/articles/reagan-didnt-close-institutions/
 
Due mostly to popular opinion JFK got the ball rolling with passing legislation to issue grants to states to build treatment clinics for mental patients. States supported it to ease the cost of providing mental health services. I lived in So Calif from 1960 to 2021 as a voting adult (Democrat at first) and have very vivid memories of the activity. At the time I didn't think it was a good idea and looking at the way it's gone since it seems I was right. Whatever the reason, the clinics were never built. You have to remember this was in Calif.
As President, Reagan signed legislation again giving grants to the states for mental health clinics.
wellbeingport.com/when-did-most-mental-hospitals-close/
www.toacorn.com/articles/reagan-didnt-close-institutions/
While Reagan is often blamed for closing institutions, the closure of mental institutions was a national trend that predated his actions. His administration is credited with significantly reducing the number of state hospital beds, which was consistent with national trends and policies that started in the late 1960s. The Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, signed by Reagan in 1967 in California, made it harder for individuals to be involuntarily committed, leading to a reduction in the institutionalized population.
 
Lets get the context right. It wasn't about the mentally ill, it was about homeless people who refuse to help themselves even when help is offered. 'Help themselves' usually means getting off drugs. In our current society we can't make you do anything except throw you in jail for breaking the law.

Oh.

So kill them?
 
Well...that's nice of him. It was the polite thing to do.



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The party of toning down inflammatory rhetoric, folks. Because that kind of thing gets people killed.

Great. Why was he not fired?

Oh yes, I know, the right plays by a different set of rules
 
Lets get the context right. It wasn't about the mentally ill, it was about homeless people who refuse to help themselves even when help is offered. 'Help themselves' usually means getting off drugs. In our current society we can't make you do anything except throw you in jail for breaking the law.
Do you think that makes what he said ok?
 
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