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Founding Fathers were WRONG

Bodi said:
Sure it was. Your issue is that you don't understand International Date Lines and what that does to the time and date. 🤭
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Damn. I thought there was only one. Where do you keep the others?
 
Bodi said:
Taco Tuesday was yesterday...
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My daughter was married to a Mexican named Jesus. We called him JC of course. True story.
 
Bodi said:
The Founding Fathers couldn’t have predicted how the Second Amendment would affect today’s world, and their original purpose is often misunderstood. They created it to protect the country through a well-organized militia, not to allow unlimited access to guns. Guns are tools, not basic rights like life, liberty, or happiness.

The idea that everyone needs a gun to prevent tyranny or for personal safety ignores the harm caused by so many guns in society, including violence and preventable deaths. Supreme Court rulings like District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) have stretched the Second Amendment beyond what it was meant to do, putting individual rights over public safety. We need to rethink these interpretations to address gun violence and protect both constitutional rights and our communities.
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Time once again to remind the interested that the Founders wrote nothing about a universal right to keep and bear arms. The states were free to regulate an individual right to keep and bear arms to any degree they so chose. The 2nd Amendment did not apply to state action until it was incorporated via the 14th Amendment.
 
Along Came Jones said:
Time once again to remind the interested that the Founders wrote nothing about a universal right to keep and bear arms. The states were free to regulate an individual right to keep and bear arms to any degree they so chose. The 2nd Amendment did not apply to state action until it was incorporated via the 14th Amendment.
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... and?
 
Bodi said:
They were... they set the foundation.
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They wrote a document laying the framework for the federal government. The first ten amendments modified the federal government's action. None of those amendments applied to the states until long after the Founders were dead and buried. Prior to the 14th Amendment, for instance, if Virginia chose to revoke their state right for individuals to keep and bear arms, and subsequently confiscated every firearm in the state, there was nothing empowered by the Constitution at the federal level to stop it or support it.

The founders were only responsible for what they actually proposed and subsequently ratified as amended. What constitutes bearable arms and who may bear them is a controversy as old as Wyatt Earp and the OK Corral. There is only one way it can be resolved. By passing and ratifying another amendment. Lots of luck with that, folks.
 
Rich2018 said:
Are you asking if I care about the "quality" of your posts ?
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I am asking you if you care... because I think that it is funny that you seem to feel that your posts are of better quality. LOL
 
Bodi said:
I am asking you if you care... because I think that it is funny that you seem to feel that your posts are of better quality. LOL
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So you ARE asking if I care about the "quality" of your posts ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Let me know when you stop using self-deprecatory humor in lieu of honest debate.
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Okay. Done. Now let me know when you are ready to debate by actually sticking to what is said. Cool.
 
Bodi said:
Now let me know when you are ready to debate by actually sticking to what is said. Cool.
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Done. Now let me know when you can demonstrate an ability to comprehend that which has been "said".
 
Bodi said:
The Founding Fathers couldn’t have predicted how the Second Amendment would affect today’s world, and their original purpose is often misunderstood. They created it to protect the country through a well-organized militia, not to allow unlimited access to guns. Guns are tools, not basic rights like life, liberty, or happiness.
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Guns were necessary since were no military or police at the time. It was anarchy...which is what a lot of gun enthusiasts want to return to.
 
Diomedes said:
Guns were necessary since were no military or police at the time. It was anarchy...which is what a lot of gun enthusiasts want to return to.
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The American Colonies were not anarchy and I think Gun Nuts just don't care about children. They would rather their gun survive than a kid.
 
Diomedes said:
Guns were necessary since were no military or police at the time. It was anarchy...which is what a lot of gun enthusiasts want to return to.
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I think you'll find that that British colonies operated under the rule of law.
 
Bodi said:
The Founding Fathers couldn’t have predicted how the Second Amendment would affect today’s world, and their original purpose is often misunderstood. They created it to protect the country through a well-organized militia, not to allow unlimited access to guns. Guns are tools, not basic rights like life, liberty, or happiness.

The idea that everyone needs a gun to prevent tyranny or for personal safety ignores the harm caused by so many guns in society, including violence and preventable deaths. Supreme Court rulings like District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) have stretched the Second Amendment beyond what it was meant to do, putting individual rights over public safety. We need to rethink these interpretations to address gun violence and protect both constitutional rights and our communities.
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The founding fathers were not concerned about specific types of firearms, they were concerned about specific types of government.
 
Bum said:
The founding fathers were not concerned about specific types of firearms, they were concerned about specific types of government.
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Which have never materialized

Guns however, have gotten a LOT deadlier and facilitated the mass shooting - something that would've abhorred the founders I'm sure.
 
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