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Foundation of a New Climate Paradigm

Buzz said:
Damn, that's a lot to read. Do you think you could summarize it for those of us who don't have the time to read it all?
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Someone thinks they have figured a better proxy for past atmospheric conditions, using trace elements in the forming for clam shells.
Like all proxies, you have to consider what other variables could have also made such changes.
Something that lives and grows in the ocean, and could have centuries of records, could be better than trees,
but it is a new idea, and calibration will be difficult to validate.
 
Buzz said:
Damn, that's a lot to read. Do you think you could summarize it for those of us who don't have the time to read it all?
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Buzz said:
Damn, that's a lot to read. Do you think you could summarize it for those of us who don't have the time to read it all?
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Part I is at #971.

Mass spectrometry and climate science. Part I: Determining past climates

Posted on June 16, 2020 by curryja | 12 comments
by Roland Hirsch
Mass spectrometry is essential for research in climate science.
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Mass spectrometry is essential for research in climate science.

Understanding climate requires having sufficient knowledge about past climate and about the important factors that are influencing climate today, so that reliable models can be developed to predict future climate.
Analytical chemistry enables measurement of the chemical composition of materials, from the amounts of elements and their isotopes in a sample to the identity and concentrations of substances in the most complex biological organisms.
This two-part series covers the application of a powerful analytical chemistry technology — mass spectrometry — to two important areas in climate science:

  • Obtaining reliable information about past climate
  • Understanding composition and behavior of aerosols, which have a large impact on climate
The examples that are included for each topic were selected out of many published papers on the study of climate using mass spectrometry, partly because they feature a very wide range of types of these instruments. The authors were very helpful in providing me with information on their work.[1]
The technology described in this essay may at times be quite complicated! However, I hope that the results of each study will be understandable. . . .

Part II continues . . .

New technologies in mass spectrometry are advancing research in climate science

This is the second of a two-part posting based on a presentation prepared for the American Chemical Society’s National Meeting in March 2020. The meeting was cancelled, but the key points in that presentation (plus a couple of added examples based on new publications of relevant research) are in these two posts. . . .

​Mass spectrometry and climate science. Part II


 
Jack Hays said:
Part I is at #971.

Mass spectrometry and climate science. Part I: Determining past climates

Posted on June 16, 2020 by curryja | 12 comments
by Roland Hirsch
Mass spectrometry is essential for research in climate science.
Continue reading →

Mass spectrometry is essential for research in climate science.

Understanding climate requires having sufficient knowledge about past climate and about the important factors that are influencing climate today, so that reliable models can be developed to predict future climate.
Analytical chemistry enables measurement of the chemical composition of materials, from the amounts of elements and their isotopes in a sample to the identity and concentrations of substances in the most complex biological organisms.
This two-part series covers the application of a powerful analytical chemistry technology — mass spectrometry — to two important areas in climate science:

  • Obtaining reliable information about past climate
  • Understanding composition and behavior of aerosols, which have a large impact on climate
The examples that are included for each topic were selected out of many published papers on the study of climate using mass spectrometry, partly because they feature a very wide range of types of these instruments. The authors were very helpful in providing me with information on their work.[1]
The technology described in this essay may at times be quite complicated! However, I hope that the results of each study will be understandable. . . .

Part II continues . . .

New technologies in mass spectrometry are advancing research in climate science

This is the second of a two-part posting based on a presentation prepared for the American Chemical Society’s National Meeting in March 2020. The meeting was cancelled, but the key points in that presentation (plus a couple of added examples based on new publications of relevant research) are in these two posts. . . .

​Mass spectrometry and climate science. Part II
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That isn't a summary. That is just you cutting and pasting the beginning of an article.

We all know that article is beyond your coprehension.
 
Buzz said:
That isn't a summary. That is just you cutting and pasting the beginning of an article.

We all know that article is beyond your coprehension.
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Certainly beyond yours, it would seem. "The technology described in this essay may at times be quite complicated!"
 
Jack Hays said:
Certainly beyond yours, it would seem. "The technology described in this essay may at times be quite complicated!"
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Just because I don't have the time to read such a long post does not mean I wouldn't understand it.

You are the one who cut and pasted it. Why can't you summarize it? Afraid to admit you didn't read it much less understand it?
 
Threegoofs said:
Well, it was on a denier blog, so it must be reeeealy important.
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Yup... no need to read it or understand it before posting it here. He just "knows" its important.
 
Buzz said:
Just because I don't have the time to read such a long post does not mean I wouldn't understand it.

You are the one who cut and pasted it. Why can't you summarize it? Afraid to admit you didn't read it much less understand it?
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I found it worth the time.
 
[h=2]No Need To Panic: Leading Scientists See Little Global Warming In The Works – Due To “Natural Variability”[/h]By P Gosselin on 5. July 2020
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A commentary titled “‘Just don’t panic – also about climate change’” by Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt appearing at German site achgut.com tells us there’s no need for panic with respect to climate change, as leading scientists dial back earlier doomsday projections.


No warming until 2050
Vahrenholt claims a negative Atlantic oscillation is ahead of us and the expected second weak solar cycle in succession will reduce anthropogenic warming in the next 15-30 years. He cites a recent publication by Judith Curry, who sees a pause in the temperature rise until 2050 as the most likely scenario.
Vahrenholt and Curry are not alone when it comes to believing a natural-variability-watered-down warming is in the works. Also IPCC heavyweight Jochem Marotzke from the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg takes a similar stand in a publication in the Environmental Research Letters.
In the paper Marotzke concludes that all locations examined show “a cooling trend or lack of warming trend”and that there is “no warming due to natural cooling effects” and that in calculations up to 2049. The researchers find “a large part of the earth will not warm up because of internal variability”. . . .
 
[h=2]‘Most Of The Globe’ Could Experience ‘No Warming’ For 30 Years Due To Temperature-Driving Internal Variability[/h]By Kenneth Richard on 13. July 2020
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[h=4]A new study documents the dominance of internal variability in decadal-scale global temperature changes and suggests we may experience a global cooling trend during the next 15 or even 30 years despite rising greenhouse gases.[/h]Maher et al. (2020) acknowledge that internal variability in global surface temperature variations is “a difficult concept to communicate” because we have very few observations of its impact and so we must rely on assumptions about how the climate system might work.
Those who try to explain how internal variability affects global surface temperature often use the “Butterfly Effect” paradigm; they assume that small changes now can lead to larger changes decades from now.

Because global temperature trends are “largely determined by internal variability”, global cooling or another warming hiatus could very well be observed over the next decade. Actually, as Maher and colleagues explain, “even out to thirty years large parts of the globe (or most of the globe in MPI-GE and CMIP5) could still experience no-warming due to internal variability“. . . .

 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]No Need To Panic: Leading Scientists See Little Global Warming In The Works – Due To “Natural Variability”[/h]By P Gosselin on 5. July 2020
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A commentary titled “‘Just don’t panic – also about climate change’” by Prof. Fritz Vahrenholt appearing at German site achgut.com tells us there’s no need for panic with respect to climate change, as leading scientists dial back earlier doomsday projections.


No warming until 2050
Vahrenholt claims a negative Atlantic oscillation is ahead of us and the expected second weak solar cycle in succession will reduce anthropogenic warming in the next 15-30 years. He cites a recent publication by Judith Curry, who sees a pause in the temperature rise until 2050 as the most likely scenario.
Vahrenholt and Curry are not alone when it comes to believing a natural-variability-watered-down warming is in the works. Also IPCC heavyweight Jochem Marotzke from the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg takes a similar stand in a publication in the Environmental Research Letters.
In the paper Marotzke concludes that all locations examined show “a cooling trend or lack of warming trend”and that there is “no warming due to natural cooling effects” and that in calculations up to 2049. The researchers find “a large part of the earth will not warm up because of internal variability”. . . .
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cough, cough,

Fritz Vahrenholt (born May 8, 1949 in Gelsenkirchen-Buer) is a German politician , industrialist and a climate change denier.
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Jack Hays said:
Curriculum Vitae Prof. Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt - Aurubis

www.aurubis.com › about-aurubis › company › cv-prof.-vahrenholt
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Fritz Vahrenholt. The Supervisory Board advises the Executive Board in the company's management and monitors corporate governance.
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That doesn't change the fact that he is still a climate denier.He is trained as a chemist. He is not a climatologist with a peer reviewed body of work.

What do you fear happening if climate change is addressed?
 
Lisa said:
That doesn't change the fact that he is still a climate denier.He is trained as a chemist. He is not a climatologist with a peer reviewed body of work.

What do you fear happening if climate change is addressed?
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What do you think he is denying, and what do you fear will happen if we continue to address climate change
as we have for past three decades?
 
longview said:
What do you think he is denying, and what do you fear will happen if we continue to address climate change
as we have for past three decades?
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If we refuse to address the negative human effects on our environment the earth will become unlivable for the current population as the oceans rise, the weather becomes too unpredictably violent for life and agriculture and the atmosphere heats up.

What we have been doing is not enough if we expect to be able to live at our current standard of living. Either we can change or the earth changes and one-quarter to one third of the population and 1/3 of the species are wiped out by disease, flooding and famine and environmental upheaval.
 
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