Former Pentagon Leaders Warn of a Dangerous Era

[Jacksprat]

WASHINGTON — The challenge to a peaceful transfer of power after President Donald J. Trump lost the 2020 election has worsened “an extremely adverse environment” for the U.S. military, according to an open letter signed by several top generals and former defense secretaries.

The letter does not mention Mr. Trump by name. But in 16 points on the principles that are supposed to define civil-military relations, the signatories issued a thinly veiled indictment of Mr. Trump and the legions of his followers who called on the military to support his false claim that the election was stolen from him.

Former Pentagon Leaders Warn of a Dangerous Era (Published 2022)

The challenge to the 2020 election result has helped create “an extremely adverse environment,” former defense secretaries and generals said in an open letter.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Jacksprat]

TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND: PRINCIPLES OF CIVILIAN CONTROL AND BEST PRACTICES OF CIVIL-MILITARY RELATIONS​

1. Civilian control of the military is part of the bedrock foundation of American democracy. The democratic project is not threatened by the existence of a powerful standing military so long as civilian and military leaders — and the rank-and-file they lead — embrace and implement effective civilian control.

To Support and Defend: Principles of Civilian Control and Best Practices of Civil-Military Relations

We are in an exceptionally challenging civil-military environment. Many of the factors that shape civil-military relations have undergone extreme strain

warontherocks.com

 

[Mycroft]

WASHINGTON — The challenge to a peaceful transfer of power after President Donald J. Trump lost the 2020 election has worsened “an extremely adverse environment” for the U.S. military, according to an open letter signed by several top generals and former defense secretaries.

The letter does not mention Mr. Trump by name. But in 16 points on the principles that are supposed to define civil-military relations, the signatories issued a thinly veiled indictment of Mr. Trump and the legions of his followers who called on the military to support his false claim that the election was stolen from him.

Former Pentagon Leaders Warn of a Dangerous Era (Published 2022)

The challenge to the 2020 election result has helped create “an extremely adverse environment,” former defense secretaries and generals said in an open letter.

www.nytimes.com

Are these the same people who called Hunter's laptop Russian disinformation?

I have to ask because the Trump haters always trot out a bunch of this...that...and the other...who always end up being wrong.

 

[Razoo]

The Fake Republican Party is not only Rump it is the entire party. Documented easily by how the party never votes against the Fake Republican President of the moment. Never questions the actions. The party is as much to blame as a president. The office of USA president is not a dictatorship.

The democrats must pay attention to which "DINO's" are supporting very right wing positions. In the name of bipartisanship to which I say no thank you. Caving in is not smart politics.

The Fake Republican Party is abusive to the military and to the nation in general.

 

[Napoleon]

“Military and civilian leaders must be diligent about keeping the military separate from partisan political activity.”

Like using active marines as set pieces within an ominous background for a political speech?

 

[Jacksprat]

“Military and civilian leaders must be diligent about keeping the military separate from partisan political activity.”

Like using active marines as set pieces within an ominous background for a political speech?

Oh my God! Ominous!!!

 

[Slartibartfast]

“Military and civilian leaders must be diligent about keeping the military separate from partisan political activity.”

Like using active marines as set pieces within an ominous background for a political speech?

So were dealing with scary Biden today and not the other Biden archtypes?

 

[Napoleon]

So were dealing with scary Biden today and not the other Biden archtypes?

Pointing out an example of what the letter warns against.

 

[Jacksprat]

Pointing out an example of what the letter warns against.

I did not see anything in the letter about lighting.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Pointing out an example of what the letter warns against.

Actually its not. There are any number of examples of presidential speeches where there were marines in the background.

Heck, at one famous speech, there was an entire aircraft carrier in the background.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Are these the same people who called Hunter's laptop Russian disinformation?

I have to ask because the Trump haters always trot out a bunch of this...that...and the other...who always end up being wrong.

Another weak ass deflection fail for @Mycroft .

 

[Napoleon]

Actually its not. There are any number of examples of presidential speeches where there were marines in the background.

Actually it is. Don’t involve the military in partisan political activity means don’t use active marines as set pieces for partisan political speeches.

 

[Jacksprat]

Actually it is. Don’t involve the military in partisan political activity means don’t use active marines as set pieces for partisan political speeches.

What is the problem?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Actually it is. Don’t involve the military in partisan political activity means don’t use active marines as set pieces for partisan political speeches.

yeah, don't do that with the miliary!

 

[Napoleon]

I’d say it’s a whataboutism but was that even a partisan political speech?

 

[Slartibartfast]

I’d say it’s a whataboutism but was that even a partisan political speech?

You we're the one setting an arbitrary standard that is only very loosely connected to the OP. I was just having fun with it.

It was given the lies that got us into that war.

 

[Napoleon]

You we're the one setting an arbitrary standard that is only very loosely connected to the OP. I was just having fun with it.

Uh, no. I directly quoted the letter.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Uh, no. I directly quoted the letter.

No, you started going off about the marines behind Biden. That was not what the pentagon was talking about. They were talking about having a compromised command and control structure that Trump tried to use to support overturning the election.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Are these the same people who called Hunter's laptop Russian disinformation?

I have to ask because the Trump haters always trot out a bunch of this...that...and the other...who always end up being wrong.

Knee jerk nonsense.

As usual.

 

[Jacksprat]

Knee jerk nonsense.

As usual.

hunter...hillary...vince foster....

 

[RaleBulgarian]

“Military and civilian leaders must be diligent about keeping the military separate from partisan political activity.”

Like using active marines as set pieces within an ominous background for a political speech?

The occasions when American presidents have given speeches with military members in uniform in the background are so many, that pointing at the two Marines in the background during Biden’s speech as a threatening image deserves all the ridicule it deserves.

Grow up.

 

[Napoleon]

No, you started going off about the marines behind Biden. That was not what the pentagon was talking about. They were talking about having a compromised command and control structure.

What they specifically said in the letter is:

“Military and civilian leaders must be diligent about keeping the military separate from partisan political activity.”

How is using marines as set pieces for a partisan political speech not exactly what they warn against?

 

[Galactic Spin]

Are these the same people who called Hunter's laptop Russian disinformation?

That didn't happen. They said it had the hallmarks of Russia disinformation. And since only a few emails have been authenticated, it still holds. Why lie?

And no they are not the same people. But you were really hoping they were, which is why you didn't look it up for yourself and used this garbage talking point instead.

 

[Slartibartfast]

What they specifically said in the letter is:

“Military and civilian leaders must be diligent about keeping the military separate from partisan political activity.”

How is using marines as set pieces for a partisan political speech not exactly what they warn against?

Here is the actual letter and block 16 summarizes it

To Support and Defend: Principles of Civilian Control and Best Practices of Civil-Military Relations

We are in an exceptionally challenging civil-military environment. Many of the factors that shape civil-military relations have undergone extreme strain

warontherocks.com

During presidential elections, the military has a dual obligation. First, because the Constitution provides for only one commander-in chief at a time, the military must assist the current commander-in-chief in the exercise of his or her constitutional duty to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. Second, because the voters (not the military) decide who will be commander-in-chief, they must prepare for whomever the voters pick — whether a reelected incumbent or someone new. This dual obligation reinforces the importance of the principles and best practices described above.

They are referencing not being used to enforce a coup or do things like seize voting machines.

 

[Napoleon]

Here is the actual letter and block 16 summarizes it

To Support and Defend: Principles of Civilian Control and Best Practices of Civil-Military Relations

We are in an exceptionally challenging civil-military environment. Many of the factors that shape civil-military relations have undergone extreme strain

warontherocks.com

During presidential elections, the military has a dual obligation. First, because the Constitution provides for only one commander-in chief at a time, the military must assist the current commander-in-chief in the exercise of his or her constitutional duty to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. Second, because the voters (not the military) decide who will be commander-in-chief, they must prepare for whomever the voters pick — whether a reelected incumbent or someone new. This dual obligation reinforces the importance of the principles and best practices described above.

They are referencing not being used to enforce a coup or do things like seize voting machines.

They reference exactly what they said - which is to keep the military out of partisan political activity as of the 16 core principles. You’re not doing that when you’re using active marines as set pieces for partisan political speeches.