Forget all those Goals and Resolutions: You Only need one.

[Lisa]

The things you mention are all against Catholic teaching, and are committed in vast majority by the irreligious.

Why does the Vatican continue to ignore and protect them from prosacution? Stop the gaslighting. I was raised Roman Catholic, so I know all of the talking points. Go annoy someone else with your nonsense.

 

[Mashmont]

Why does the Vatican continue to ignore and rtp4eoct them? Stop the gaslighting. I was raised Roman Catholic, so I know all of the talking points. Go annoy someone else with your nonsense.

All the popes since 2002 have addressed it, and the occurrences have dropped significantly in the last 15 years. Molestations outside Catholicism, however have increased. Sounds like you're blaming the wrong people.

 

[Lisa]

All the popes since 2002 have addressed it, and the occurrences have dropped significantly in the last 15 years. Molestations outside Catholicism, however have increased. Sounds like you're blaming the wrong people.

The popes have not addressed it because they continue to pay off the victims and hide the priests/bishops. Go sell your lies to someone who might be gullible enough to accept the proclamations from the chief kiddie molsters about how they have reformed but I'm not that naive.

This **************** wasn't defrocked for his comments. Do you want to explain why that would be?

A Rhode Island priest who sought to ban pro-choice lawmakers from receiving communion has suggested abortion is worse than child abuse.

“We are not talking about any other moral issue, where some may make it a comparison between pedophilia and abortion,” the Rev Richard Bucci told local TV station WJAR. “Pedophilia doesn’t kill anyone and this does.”
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The priest made headlines last week after posting a list of 44 state lawmakers who would be barred from communion because of their support for reproductive rights.

The note in the Sacred Heart church community bulletin included lawmakers who voted for the state’s Reproductive Privacy Act, which formally adopts into state law the 1973 US supreme court ruling legalizing abortion, also known as Roe v Wade.

Citing “2,000 years” of Catholic teachings, Bucci also barred the officials from witnessing marriages, reading during funerals and serving as godparents.

Rhode Island priest claims 'pedophilia doesn't kill anyone' in abortion row | Rhode Island | The Guardian

 

[Mashmont]

The popes have not addressed it because they continue to pay off the victims and hide the priests/bishops. Go sell your lies to someone who might be gullible enough to accept the proclamations from the chief kiddie molsters about how they have reformed but I'm not that naive.

This **************** wasn't defrocked for his comments. Do you want to explain why that would be?



Rhode Island priest claims 'pedophilia doesn't kill anyone' in abortion row | Rhode Island | The Guardian

Why should the priest be defrocked when he is 100% correct? It’s pointless to discuss this with you since you are only interested in lies and diversion. I sincerely hope you come back home to the church so you can find peace. That’s my special prayer for you.

 

[Lisa]

Why should the priest be defrocked when he is 100% correct? It’s pointless to discuss this with you since you are only interested in lies and diversion. I sincerely hope you come back home to the church so you can find peace. That’s my special prayer for you.

His defense of pedophilia as a preferable alternative to abortion is almost certainly an admission that he has taken part.

I don't like lies, mythology, and gaslighting so I will never be back in the pews of a catholic church. I wrote a letter to the office of the Bishop in 1996 demanding that my name be removed from the parishioner list. It took me almost a decade to see through the Catholic guilt, gaslighting, and lies but now I am very aware of it.

 

[zyzygy]

The Vatican Bank is rocked by scandal again

The Vatican Bank is rocked by scandal again - BBC News


Top 5 financial transgressions committed by the Vatican
The Vatican’s ultra-secretive culture and dubious financial dealings have frequently mired it in scandal. We chart the most memorable

Top 5 financial transgressions committed by the Vatican – European CEO

Prosecutors and gendarmerie staged a raid this month into the usually serene offices of the Vatican’s Secretariat of State, seizing computers and caches of documents from archives and employees. Two weeks later, the longtime head of Pope Francis’ security service resigned after leaked *reports of alleged financial wrongdoing in the Vatican.

The Vatican’s new corruption scandal

 

[Mashmont]

The Vatican Bank is rocked by scandal again

The Vatican Bank is rocked by scandal again - BBC News


Top 5 financial transgressions committed by the Vatican
The Vatican’s ultra-secretive culture and dubious financial dealings have frequently mired it in scandal. We chart the most memorable

Top 5 financial transgressions committed by the Vatican – European CEO

Prosecutors and gendarmerie staged a raid this month into the usually serene offices of the Vatican’s Secretariat of State, seizing computers and caches of documents from archives and employees. Two weeks later, the longtime head of Pope Francis’ security service resigned after leaked *reports of alleged financial wrongdoing in the Vatican.

The Vatican’s new corruption scandal

It's sad when trusted people violate the teachings of Jesus, isn't it? But that's what fallible humans do. Fortunately, God's system of rules and justice are perfect.

 

[nota bene]

He also makes statement not of a Roman Catholic. Apparently, you believe because he says he is RC, he therefore is RC. Yet, with all he has shown of himself on this forum, you have no doubt he is RC. He has often presented himself to be to be RC, but has spoken by any knowledgeable measure to not be. Yet, if the Devil came to you and said he was RC, because he said he was RC, you'd believe so.

The devil remark is colossally stupid, and I am embarrassed for you.

 

[zyzygy]

You don't believe that the Devil exists?

 

[bluesmoke]

His defense of pedophilia as a preferable alternative to abortion is almost certainly an admission that he has taken part.

I don't like lies, mythology, and gaslighting so I will never be back in the pews of a catholic church. I wrote a letter to the office of the Bishop in 1996 demanding that my name be removed from the parishioner list. It took me almost a decade to see through the Catholic guilt, gaslighting, and lies but now I am very aware of it.

Interesting term "...see through the Catholic guilt...". A mud not easily seen through that Mash wallows in having hung Himself from a cross, hammering two nails in Himself and begging for anyone to hammer in the last 9 inches, for all to see.

 

[zyzygy]

Isn't it about time that the Catholic Church gave all the stolen gold back to South America?

 

[nota bene]

You don't believe that the Devil exists?

Do you think that there is a difference between believing that he exists and believing anything he says? :roll:

 

[zyzygy]

Do you think that there is a difference between believing that he exists and believing anything he says? :roll:

You would believe statements from the Father Of Lies?

 

[nota bene]

You would believe statements from the Father Of Lies?

Is there a difference between believing that he exists and believing what he says?

But you're a smart guy, so you tell me whether a professed Christian would believe what he says.

 

[zyzygy]

Is there a difference between believing that he exists and believing what he says?

But you're a smart guy, so you tell me whether a professed Christian would believe what he says.

Give me some time, I will canvas the opinion of every Christian in the world.

 

[nota bene]

Give me some time, I will canvas the opinion of every Christian in the world.

No need; just take it on faith.

I really hate juvenile rhetorical games.

 

[gboisjo]

Pedophilia, multiple episodes of religious and ethnic genocide, sadism, and rape are not what I would consider being positive.

The most educated counties are also the least religious and experience the lowest amount of crime, so I prefer atheism over any theistic religion.

Its my understanding as a Catholic priest one is expected to abstain from all sexual activity and devote himself to God and the Church's followers ..Buddhist monks have similar expectation. In both religions, masturbation is regarded as a breach of celibacy.

I can't imagine putting a cork on a drive as powerful as "perpetuating the species" does any good, just the opposite. For non-religious people like myself the institution can be hard to comprehend. For me there's a question mark over whether celibacy is even possible without adverse side effects like pedophilia. Its my understanding that most of the apostles had wives, what changed.

 

[gboisjo]

There is data to suggest that men who ejaculate more are less prone to prostate cancer. I can't imagine, purely on a physical basis, going my whole life without sex of any kind including masturbation ..its not natural or healthy.

It begs the question regarding the basic principles of moral theology is that one cannot do something bad in order to obtain something good. And the fact that something good may or may not be obtained does not in any way make less the intrinsic badness of the bad action.

As a laymen and only using common sense might there be a link celibacy and priest pedophile.

 

[tosca1]

This is what debate in mixed company is and you don't like it when others can criticize your beliefs.

Go chase someone else around who may find your tactics amusing.

What debate? You're not debating! You're just preaching! You got nothing.
You're not addressing the arguments.....heck, you're not even answering questions!

Let me enlarge the font - maybe you just missed it.



I asked you:


If science does not agree with you (Theistic Evolution)..............................

..................... what is the basis for your belief?


Where on earth did you get your conclusion that God isn't real? From la-la land? :mrgreen:


On what evidence do you base your conclusion that God does not exist?


lol. You better answer that!





Your "splashy" style of coming here to "debate" with just your bravado, is kinda like challenging believers to a duel! :lol:

You give me the comical imagery of a cowboy having a duel in the middle of a dusty road, facing a gunslinger...........

.....................with your pants down around your ankles - with a rotting banana for a gun!


If you're going to be obnoxiously, insultingly critical - better get your facts straight first! That way, you don't come out looking pathetic!



That's the problem with new atheists like you - you all can be bunched up with one thing tying you all together - you're just all mouth!
You all think science is on your side! Mouths just ignorantly flapping away.................. all hot air!

The funniest thing is...... you really believe you got something clever to say!

 

[tosca1]

"Real" science is, by definition, concerned with the NATURAL universe and thus has not the slightest bit of interest in whether there is a "God" or not, and thus your statement is basically just so much nonsense.

Well - indeed. But apparently, there are PHYSICAL evidence that are compatible with THEISTIC Evolution!
I didn't make that up! NASA is quoting the official statement from the National Academy of Sciences, in their FAQ!



The National Academy of Sciences also says:


"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.

This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.

Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."


WMAP Site FAQs



Unless an atheist like Lisa can explain where she got the basis for her conclusion........she is the irrational one!

I mean, she can have her own belief, I've got no problems with that.
But when she comes looking for a "fight" about beliefs - she better be prepared. Christians can defend their faith!
Heck, we can even own evolution if ever it's proven true! And as you can see, some of us can be quite CONFIDENTLY aggressive!

Obviously, she can't defend her position. She's just all hot air.

 

[tosca1]

There is data to suggest that men who ejaculate more are less prone to prostate cancer. I can't imagine, purely on a physical basis, going my whole life without sex of any kind including masturbation ..its not natural or healthy.

It begs the question regarding the basic principles of moral theology is that one cannot do something bad in order to obtain something good. And the fact that something good may or may not be obtained does not in any way make less the intrinsic badness of the bad action.

As a laymen and only using common sense might there be a link celibacy and priest pedophile.

That's why it's in the Scriptures - celibacy is not for everyone!


Matthew 19
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”



Thus, it is advisable for those who can't be celibate, to marry!


Promiscuity is definitely not only morally wrong, but very unhealthy! As proven by all the stds. :shrug:

 

[tosca1]

He also makes statement not of a Roman Catholic. Apparently, you believe because he says he is RC, he therefore is RC. Yet, with all he has shown of himself on this forum, you have no doubt he is RC. He has often presented himself to be to be RC, but has spoken by any knowledgeable measure to not be. Yet, if the Devil came to you and said he was RC, because he said he was RC, you'd believe so.

Now I'm confused. I thought Mashmont is RC too - what's the difference?

 

[Mashmont]

Its my understanding as a Catholic priest one is expected to abstain from all sexual activity and devote himself to God and the Church's followers ..Buddhist monks have similar expectation. In both religions, masturbation is regarded as a breach of celibacy.

I can't imagine putting a cork on a drive as powerful as "perpetuating the species" does any good, just the opposite. For non-religious people like myself the institution can be hard to comprehend. For me there's a question mark over whether celibacy is even possible without adverse side effects like pedophilia. Its my understanding that most of the apostles had wives, what changed.

This is the same kind of argument that "Teens will have sex anyway, so you might as well give them condoms." It's ridiculous. Do people not understand the meaning of self-control and self-discipline? Like with most things, you get used to it, and it becomes easy.

 

[tosca1]

Mashmont or anyone else doesn't get a free pass on their religious beliefs nor do they get to decide how others can reply to them when they create the threads making unsupported claims claims in mixed company.

You don't get a free pass too on your claim which is proven to be mindless.........unless you can support it with something credible.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. :shrug:


I gave Theistic Evolution from the FAQ of NASA. As far as science is concerned, the existence of God is a possibility.
Now, it's your turn to provide something credible to support your claim.


If science does not agree with you (Theistic Evolution).......................... what is the basis for your belief?

Where on earth did you get your conclusion that God isn't real?

On what evidence do you base your conclusion that God does not exist?

 

[Lisa]

You don't get a free pass too on your claim which is proven to be mindless.........unless you can support it with something credible.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. :shrug:

1.) Logically I cannot prove a negative.

2.) Where is the empirical evidence that a sentient creator exists or has ever existed? You are making the claim that god exist so you need to prove your claim to be true. Your belief or faith are based on emotions so that are not empirical evidence.
The bible was written by man so it is no more proof of God than Harry Potter is proof that Dumbledore exists.