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There are 10,000 inmates in Belgian jails.
4,500 of them are foreigners (they don't have the Belgian nationality)
However, out of the 5,500 "Belgians", at least 60% or 70% are "new-Belgians" (in the jail of Forest, near Brussels, 80% of the menus are "halal")
Now, we should bear in mind that foreigners are often poorer, and that poverty is one of the factors that explains criminality, and that when you look Arab or Black you're probably more easily arrested, but that's still huge.
All these people (the inmates who do not have the Belgian nationality, or who have a dual citizenship) should be deported. It's scandalous to have to pay billions for these people: our jails are so overpopulated that we have to rent Dutch jails! And it costs quite a lot of money, I heard that it was around 5,000€ per prisoner per month!
So your small country puts 10,000 people in jail, according to you about 70% of whom are either foreign or of due nationality, the regular Belgium being of sanguine personality.
Here in the UK in 2005 it was 10,000 over 60's we put in jail. They were our largest growing prison population. Now where should we send them to save money. Possibly the poor health care in prison will do the job for us.
Erwin James on the treatment of elderly prisoners in British jails | Society | The Guardian
If Belgium is thinking of deporting people who are citizens, albeit people with dual citizenship, then it looks like Europe or some parts of it really are moving into a new Nazi type era.
So we agree about deporting the ones who don't have the nationality.
Now about those who have a dual citizenship, 99% of them are born abroad, came here and also got the citizenship because they lived 5 years here or something like that.
These people came here and we have welcomed them by letting them benefit from our free education system, our free healthcare system and our social security system. And what did some of them do in exchange of that? Robberies, assaults, carjackings...and we have to pay 5000€/month to send them in a Dutch jail?? That's more than what my parents earn together! To feed a single of these prisoners, it takes the taxes of 3 or 4 households! That's a scandal! Why should we work hard to feed these people who proved to be threats to our society?
I'm not agreeing to deporting anyone but usually if a person is not a citizen and they commit a crime one of the options is deportation instead of a jail term. However as I understand it, with EU regulations I don't think it is possible to deport someone to a country where they would be subject to the death penalty or to torture. That I am totally in agreement with.
A citizen is a citizen for good or ill. There are lines which cannot be crossed. Certainly for me one of them is deporting citizens.
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So we agree about deporting the ones who don't have the nationality.
Now about those who have a dual citizenship, 99% of them are born abroad, came here and also got the citizenship because they lived 5 years here or something like that.
These people came here and we have welcomed them by letting them benefit from our free education system, our free healthcare system and our social security system. And what did some of them do in exchange of that? Robberies, assaults, carjackings...and we have to pay 5000€/month to send them in a Dutch jail?? That's more than what my parents earn together! To feed a single of these prisoners, it takes the taxes of 3 or 4 households! That's a scandal! Why should we work hard to feed these people who proved to be threats to our society?
I don't have a problem with deporting foreign nationals who commit crimes - if their country of origin can't accept them then a subsitute country could be explored.
You can't deport birth citizens bub, if people have come and then been granted citizenship and gone on to carry out crime I would suggest you investigate the system that allowed them citizenship instead.
then we agree
-- Well many of them are not "birth citizens", so we also agree on deporting them.
We may also take away your British citizenship if, in our opinion, it would be in the public interest for us to do so and you would not be made stateless as a result of us removing British citizenship.
Not quite, we have a borders agency that can remove citizenship in certain conditions. The most "open to interpretation" element is this
If your Govt has similar rules then there may be cases where Belgian Public Interest has to be demonstrably affected otherwise I do not agree.
On non-citizens, yes.
Not quite, we have a borders agency that can remove citizenship in certain conditions. The most "open to interpretation" element is this
We may also take away your British citizenship if, in our opinion, it would be in the public interest for us to do so and you would not be made stateless as a result of us removing British citizenship.
If your Govt has similar rules then there may be cases where Belgian Public Interest has to be demonstrably affected otherwise I do not agree.
Please can you provide a link to this heinous law I know nothing about. All I have been able to find when searching is it can be removed if it has been achieved by deception.
UK Border Agency | Removal of citizenship obtained fraudulently (Deprivation)
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