For those who are OK with the bombing of Iran (or not), do you support regime change?

[SonOfDaedalus]

I support Regime change in the U.S. and Israel. I would love to see Trump and Netanyahu replaced by more reasonable people.

The first step towards real peace is a two state solution and Israel ending settlement expansions.

Israel will never agree to this because the U.S. keeps supporting them in the U.N. and with military support. So, the U.S. is the real obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

We could easily force Israel to make peace with the Palestinians, thus defusing a huge issue, but we don't.

 

[bythoughts]

Those mandates are specific to times and places. They are not eternal mandates.

I fed this into perplexity.ai and got the following text (part quoted verbatim, but cited, per new Rule 9a... I should go back and double check.)
The site cited https://www.unaoc.org/repository/Esposito_Jihad_Holy_Unholy.pdf - https://publicsquaremag.org/dialogue/violence-islam-religion-politics/ - https://www.raf.mod.uk/what-we-do/centre-for-air-and-space-power-studies/aspr/apr-vol13-iss3-3-pdf/

There is no broad or eternal Islamic mandate commanding Muslims to kill all Jews. The idea that Islam requires perpetual violence against Jews is a misrepresentation of Islamic teachings and history.

Quranic Verses and Context​

• The Quran contains verses revealed in specific historical contexts, often during times of conflict between the early Muslim community and various groups, including some Jewish tribes in Medina. These verses addressed particular breaches of treaties or acts of aggression, not general or eternal commands against all Jews or any other group

• For example, verses that command fighting or violence are typically tied to circumstances where Muslims were under attack or faced betrayal, and they are balanced by other verses that emphasize peace, proportionality, and the prohibition of harming noncombatants

Historical and Scholarly Interpretation​

• Mainstream Islamic jurisprudence and classical scholars have generally understood the so-called "violent verses" as context-specific, not as universal, timeless mandates.

Now full disclosure - I don't believe in Islam, even a little, and I don't like Islam, or its creator's actions, but I do believe people deserve fair consideration, just treatment, and a right to explore their religious ideas, right or wrong.

 

[markdc]

Not making a poll, but just looking for feedback.

I don't support the bombing. I don't think it was justified. This would not have happened if Israel didn't purposely go after Iran's nuclear program. Netanyahu finally found his American sucker president.

Tbh, I don't know how I feel about regime change. Will it solve anything or just create extended turmoil in the Middle East.

I can't say we've had good success at this "regime change" thing. I don't support it.

Thoughts?

I oppose attacking countries that don’t attack first. I oppose regime change unless it’s done solely by the Iranian people.

Mark

 

[What if...?]

Not making a poll, but just looking for feedback.

I don't support the bombing. I don't think it was justified. This would not have happened if Israel didn't purposely go after Iran's nuclear program. Netanyahu finally found his American sucker president.

Tbh, I don't know how I feel about regime change. Will it solve anything or just create extended turmoil in the Middle East.

I can't say we've had good success at this "regime change" thing. I don't support it.

Thoughts?

Regime change is what started the mess with Iran in the first place. They decided they didn’t want the shah anymore. Picked somebody else.

But that administration told Britain that their oil didn’t belong to England anymore.

So we overthrew their government and reinstalled the shah. Who was such a shitheel that eventually the ayatollahs managed to finally get rid of him.

And modern Iran was born.

Would it be too much to ask that we not create problems in the name of rich men’s profits anymore?

All of our recent conflicts have been addressing problems we created in the first place in the name of capitalist exploitation.

 

[Roadvirus]

Not making a poll, but just looking for feedback.

I don't support the bombing. I don't think it was justified. This would not have happened if Israel didn't purposely go after Iran's nuclear program. Netanyahu finally found his American sucker president.

Tbh, I don't know how I feel about regime change. Will it solve anything or just create extended turmoil in the Middle East.

I can't say we've had good success at this "regime change" thing. I don't support it.

Thoughts?

Let the Iranians do it, but we provide covert back up if they need it.