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For those of you who think that the investigation is over...

aps,

Yes, I have already decided.

I'm sure the prosecution has already thought of the Jury in this case. You cannot remove the politics from this. They have to be worried about Republicans on this Jury and will probably try to keep them off...wouldn't you?
 
mike49 said:
aps,

Yes, I have already decided.
So what do you think really happened then? What did Libby do or not do?
 
mike49 said:
aps,

Yes, I have already decided.

I'm sure the prosecution has already thought of the Jury in this case. You cannot remove the politics from this. They have to be worried about Republicans on this Jury and will probably try to keep them off...wouldn't you?

mike, you're cute to answer my question. Each side gets a certain # of peremptory strikes, where they can remove someone on the jury for no cause. Once they have hit that magic number, they have to then provide "cause" for why this person should be removed.

mike, why would you assume that just because someone is a republican that they will acquit Libby?

For me, I would not necessarily try to keep a republican off the jury. It would depend on how they answered the questions asked. If you, however, were one of the potential jurors, I would have you removed. :) My brother is a die-hard republican and he is someone who I would want on that jury, as he would vote based upon the facts.
 
scottyz said:
So what do you think really happened then? What did Libby do or not do?

I would not know the exact answer to that. He probably leaked and lied.

Aps,

It may be that some republicans would not convict.

As I said before this is all political. From Wilson's first leak...until now.
 
Stinger said:
Investigators don't "clear" people. If Fitzgerald had the evidence and the grand jury had voted to indict then there would have been an indictment. There was no indictment. My point being that contrary to other statements here under no uncertain terms did Fitzgerald state that Rove was still under investigation.

Rove’s lawyer said he was told by special prosecutor Fitzgerald’s office that investigators would continue their probe into the aide’s conduct.

snip


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9837835/page/2/


Stinger, before you make statements emphatically knowing what Mr. Fitzgerald has said, I suggest a consultation with Karl Rove's attorney. Thanks and have a nice day.
 
mike49 said:
I would not know the exact answer to that. He probably leaked and lied.

Aps,

It may be that some republicans would not convict.

As I said before this is all political. From Wilson's first leak...until now.

mike, I would hate to think that people would go with their political affiliation over what the fact demonstrated.

Wilson's leak? Wilson didn't leak anything. I am so proud of him for pushing this issue because, in my heart, this will have been the start of the end of Bush's presidency.
 
aps said:
Rove's lawyer said he was told by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's office that investigators had "made no decision about whether or not to bring charges" and would continue their probe into Rove's conduct.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/rove.leak.ap/

Fitzgerald did not say that as you claimed. As far as attorney's leaking what they believe Fitzgerald is doing or not doing, there were lots of leaks before he made his announcement that did not come to furition.

Reports have indicated that Fitzgerald would keep Rove under investigation.

Reports had said that Cheney would be among 22 indictments last Friday too. You said Fitzgerald said something that he did not. That is what I responded to.


That doesn't mean that Rove is off the hook.

And it doesn't mean he is on the hook and it doesn't mean he should resign.
 
debate_junkie said:
Rove’s lawyer said ......................

The poster asserted that Fitzgerald said, he did not. And there have been lots of leaks that were not true in the end. Best to stick with what is actually said not what is asserted.

Stinger, before you make statements emphatically knowing what Mr. Fitzgerald has said, I suggest a consultation with Karl Rove's attorney. Thanks and have a nice day.

Junkie, before YOU make statements emphatically knowing what Mr. Fitzgerald has said I suggest you go and read the transcipts of what he actually said. And when you find the sentence that says he is still investigating Rove post it here. There's all kinds of leaks and assertions floating around along with demands that Rove resign and just go ahead and get in a jail cell. Well lots of those leaks, including ones perported to come from attorney's, last week didn't amount to anything did they.
 
aps said:
mike, I would hate to think that people would go with their political affiliation over what the fact demonstrated.

Wilson's leak? Wilson didn't leak anything. I am so proud of him for pushing this issue because, in my heart, this will have been the start of the end of Bush's presidency.

This from someone who admits they do not know what the Senate Intelligence committe learned. You make the factual statement that Wilson didn't leak anything. That is factually incorrect. He leaked information he claimed to be true before his op-ed piece. Now the mission he went on was a classified CIA mission. Did he obtain clearence to leak that information? Did he obtain clearence to write about it in his op-ed piece?

You say you are proud of a man who tried to commit a fraud on you by lying to you about what he found out in Niger, about who sent him and who he reported to. The WH was the side telling the truth not the Wilson's yet you are proud of them. Strange.
 
Stinger said:
Fitzgerald did not say that as you claimed. As far as attorney's leaking what they believe Fitzgerald is doing or not doing, there were lots of leaks before he made his announcement that did not come to furition.

Okay, now I understand what you're saying. I'm not saying that Fitzgerald announced at his press conference that he was still investigating Rove. I am saying that Fitzgerald told Rove's attorney that Rove was not off the hook.

Here's more evidence that Rove is still being investigated:

While Rove faces doubts about his White House status, there are new indications that he remains in legal jeopardy from Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald's criminal investigation of the Plame leak. The prosecutor spoke this week with an attorney for Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper about his client's conversations with Rove before and after Plame's identity became publicly known because of anonymous disclosures by White House officials, according to two sources familiar with the conversation.

Fitzgerald is considering charging Rove with making false statements in the course of the 22-month probe, and sources close to Rove -- who holds the titles of senior adviser and White House deputy chief of staff -- said they expect to know within weeks whether the most powerful aide in the White House will be accused of a crime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/02/AR2005110203276.html

Reports had said that Cheney would be among 22 indictments last Friday too. You said Fitzgerald said something that he did not. That is what I responded to.

I give no credibility to a report that says there would be 22 indictments.

And it doesn't mean he is on the hook and it doesn't mean he should resign.

He's on the hook, my delusional friend. A person whith any integrity would have resigned.
 
aps said:
mike, I would hate to think that people would go with their political affiliation over what the fact demonstrated.

Wilson's leak? Wilson didn't leak anything. I am so proud of him for pushing this issue because, in my heart, this will have been the start of the end of Bush's presidency.

Wilson did leak, otherwise no one would have known about his CIA paid for trip.

Party affiliation in a case like this is cause for concern for Fitzgerald. It's all political and is made more so by the Dems. This is all political at this point.

Just our interest in this shows the extent of it...it has it's own section in this Forum! To say that judgements by jurors are not going to be swayed by this political firestorm is to blind yourself to reality.
 
mike49 said:
Wilson did leak, otherwise no one would have known about his CIA paid for trip.

Party affiliation in a case like this is cause for concern for Fitzgerald. It's all political and is made more so by the Dems. This is all political at this point.

Just our interest in this shows the extent of it...it has it's own section in this Forum! To say that judgements by jurors are not going to be swayed by this political firestorm is to blind yourself to reality.

Wilson was responding to the fact that the Bush people were saying things that were not true. I commend him for informing us about his trip. I don't think that his informing us about what he did not find in Africa would be considered "leaking" information.

I'm glad you know so much about jury selection and what the prosecutor needs to be concerned about. Blind myself to reality? Whatever. Not everyone is as partisan as you. I am a democrat and I am thrilled that Libby was indicted, but if I was on the jury and could not find that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I would vote to acquit. But maybe I'm better at weighing evidence than you are.
 
Stinger said:
This from someone who admits they do not know what the Senate Intelligence committe learned. You make the factual statement that Wilson didn't leak anything. That is factually incorrect. He leaked information he claimed to be true before his op-ed piece. Now the mission he went on was a classified CIA mission. Did he obtain clearence to leak that information? Did he obtain clearence to write about it in his op-ed piece?

I'll concede that I might have mispoke. I would need to re-read his op-ed and read about whether this was a classified CIA mission.

You say you are proud of a man who tried to commit a fraud on you by lying to you about what he found out in Niger, about who sent him and who he reported to. The WH was the side telling the truth not the Wilson's yet you are proud of them. Strange.

I am proud of him for standing up to this administration and the lies that it told to get us into war. I do not believe that he tried to commit fraud regarding his trip to Niger.

The WH was telling the truth? Sorry, but I find that very hard to believe.
 
aps said:
Wilson was responding to the fact that the Bush people were saying things that were not true. I commend him for informing us about his trip. I don't think that his informing us about what he did not find in Africa would be considered "leaking" information.

I'm glad you know so much about jury selection and what the prosecutor needs to be concerned about. Blind myself to reality? Whatever. Not everyone is as partisan as you. I am a democrat and I am thrilled that Libby was indicted, but if I was on the jury and could not find that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I would vote to acquit. But maybe I'm better at weighing evidence than you are.

Aps,

What was Bush saying that was not true?

If Wilson was concerned about the 16 words in the President's State of the Union Address...why did he wait until after the invasion to bring it up?

Bush relied on British Intelligence in his State of the Union speech. The Butler Report stated those words were well founded, and the British stands by the intelligence.

In May 2003 Wilson began advising the Kerry Campaign...then the leaks to the Washington Post began...then his opinion piece in the N.Y. Times.

I apologize if my "reality" remark upset you...it was not intended to.
 
mike49 said:
Aps,

What was Bush saying that was not true?

If Wilson was concerned about the 16 words in the President's State of the Union Address...why did he wait until after the invasion to bring it up?

Bush relied on British Intelligence in his State of the Union speech. The Butler Report stated those words were well founded, and the British stands by the intelligence.

In May 2003 Wilson began advising the Kerry Campaign...then the leaks to the Washington Post began...then his opinion piece in the N.Y. Times.

I apologize if my "reality" remark upset you...it was not intended to.

Wow, what a nice apology. I may have sounded offended, but I really wasn't. Apology accepted nonetheless. Thank you.

Hmmmm, I agree--what took him so long? I did not know the timeline of his advising the Kerry campaign and then writing the op-ed. That does sound fishy.

For me, mike, it's hard to give the Bush people any credibility anymore. The claims of WMD, mushroom clouds, etc. have been determined by the Senate Intelligence Committee to be "dead wrong." Not only do they lie about this, but other issues as well--taxes, the environment, etc. I just don't trust him and cannot wait for him to get out of office. I never felt that way about Bush 1, so it's not related to the fact that I am not a republican. My congressman is a republican and when he has been up for election, I have continued to vote for him because I agree with what he stands for.
 
Aps,

A good place for correct information is FactCheck.org

Here is the link for this particular topic we are discussing:

Fact Check

This site deals with all sorts of issues.
 
mike49 said:
Aps,

A good place for correct information is FactCheck.org

Here is the link for this particular topic we are discussing:

Fact Check

This site deals with all sorts of issues.

But what if I want to be left in the dark? ;) Thank you for posting the site.
 
mike49 said:
Aps,

A good place for correct information is FactCheck.org

Here is the link for this particular topic we are discussing:

Fact Check

This site deals with all sorts of issues.
Ain't that the one Cheney uses?
 
scottyz said:
Ain't that the one Cheney uses?

It might just be the one he mentioned. I didn't think of it until I seen this post, but I think you may be correct. I doubt though he has a part in it...Republicans are trounced in it's pages as are Democrats.

It is very interesting to see how we are fed garbage by our political parties and special interest groups.
 
mike49 said:
Aps,

What was Bush saying that was not true?

If Wilson was concerned about the 16 words in the President's State of the Union Address...why did he wait until after the invasion to bring it up?

From Wilson's op-ed piece:

The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them. He replied that perhaps the president was speaking about one of the other three African countries that produce uranium: Gabon, South Africa or Namibia. At the time, I accepted the explanation. I didn't know that in December, a month before the president's address, the State Department had published a fact sheet that mentioned the Niger case.
<snip>

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm



Bush relied on British Intelligence in his State of the Union speech. The Butler Report stated those words were well founded, and the British stands by the intelligence.

Could it be possible that Bush et al wanted to rely on that specific British Intelligence? After all, they were privy to other information... intelligence that was deemed extremely shaky at best. Even the CIA warned Team Bush that it would not be wise to include it in his State of the Union address.

As we all know now, they did. So perhaps, Mike, do you think it possible that they took their chances and hoped that they would not be called on it? And did they not admit that it was a mistake not long after Wilson's op-ed hit the news stands?

<snip>The president's statement was incorrect because it was based on forged documents from the Niger, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Monday.

The White House retraction followed assertions by an envoy sent by the CIA to Africa to investigate the allegations. The envoy, Joseph Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador to the West African nation of Gabon, was dispatched in February 2002 to explore whether Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger.

Writing in a New York Times op-ed piece, Wilson said it did not take him long "to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place."

In an interview on NBC, Wilson insisted his doubts about the purported Iraq-Niger connection reached the highest levels of government, including Vice President Dick Cheney's office.

Fleischer said Monday that Cheney did not request information about Wilson's mission to Niger, was not informed of his mission and was not aware of it until press reports accounted for it.

However, the BBC is quoting a CIA official as saying the agency told the White House about the doubts raised by Wilson. The White House says it gets multiple reports each day from various agencies, and says there is no evidence that it was warned before the State of the Union that the Africa claim was dodgy.

According to the New York Times, there were other doubts about the Niger claim. When the State Department passed on the Niger document to the International Atomic Energy Agency, it warned: "We cannot confirm these reports and have questions regarding some specific claims." The IAEA soon determined the documents were forgeries.
<snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/09/iraq/main562451.shtml
 
Stinger said:
The poster asserted that Fitzgerald said, he did not. And there have been lots of leaks that were not true in the end. Best to stick with what is actually said not what is asserted.



Junkie, before YOU make statements emphatically knowing what Mr. Fitzgerald has said I suggest you go and read the transcipts of what he actually said. And when you find the sentence that says he is still investigating Rove post it here. There's all kinds of leaks and assertions floating around along with demands that Rove resign and just go ahead and get in a jail cell. Well lots of those leaks, including ones perported to come from attorney's, last week didn't amount to anything did they.

Ahh, so Rove's lawyer speaks of information he's been told by who, oh yeah Fitzgerald's office. So are you saying that someone in Fitzgerald's office is rogue and decided to pick on Karl Rove and leak he is still being investigated? Having worked for attorney's, and currently working in an office within state government, which is crawling with attorney's, the ONE thing I know is that no one in an attorney's office is allowed to pass forth information such as this without the directive of the attorney. Cases are won and lost with misspeaks. So because Fitzgerald made no mention of it when he was announcing the Libby indictments, it was never said? Puhlease




Libby Resigns His Post; Rove's Fate Remains Unresolved


By DAVID STOUT
Published: October 28, 2005


Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff, was not charged today, but will remain under investigation, Mr. Rove's lawyer and people briefed officially about the case said. In a news conference this afternoon, the special counsel in the case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, declined to talk about Mr. Rove

Hmmm again, on Friday, Rove's attorney says Karl is still under investigation... let me guess, Fitzgerald didn't say it to his office staff to brief Rove's attorney? Must be that rogue member of Fitzgerald's office again.
 
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What follows is my response to an apologist's retorts.

oldreliable67 said:
The prosecutor's choice of words was very interesting. As I understand it, the statute in question requires that

1) in order to be a covert CIA agent under this law, you have to be stationed overseas or to have been stationed overseas sometime in the past five years. Joe Wilson in his book acknowledges that his wife's last overseas assignment was in 1997, six years before this so-called leak took place. There's no crime here.

First, simply because Wilson doesn't state that his wife had overseas assignments in recent years doesn't mean it didn't happen. That information would be classified, and perhaps Wilson takes such matters more seriously than the White House does these days, which would prevent him from disclosing details about his wife's assignments in a news periodical.

Second, that's wrong. She was part of a covert program and a front company for the CIA. Her "cover" was essential to the program (as evidenced by the outting of the entire program when Plame's identity was discovered). She was indeed "covert."

2) that you must have disclosed the CIA agent's identity maliciously and as part of your normal official government function.

That doesn't even make sense. No, if I leak classified information it really doesn't matter what my intent was. It does not have to be malicious.

Further, You have to have learned it through your government functions...

No. If I am a soldier and someone confides in me about classified material and I in turn spill my guts to God and everyone, I go to jail. See how this works?

... and you have to have disclosed it knowing that the government was taking affirmative measures to conceal it.

Anything that's classified is deemed to be "concealed." That's why it's classified and not down at the public library.

Now Robert Novak, who first reported this, said later that he had asked the CIA if it was OK to disclose this name. He said the CIA said we'd rather not, but made only--and these are his words--"a very weak objection." So it doesn't sound like the government was taking affirmative measures.

Okay, you're taking Novak's word on it - and even he admits it's an interpretation of what the CIA said.

So, was there a crime?

Are you stoned? Of course there was a crime.

Libby's alleged crimes all occurred after the investigation began.

For now. He's been charged for his actions after the investigation began because it got in the way of seeing what truly happened. Whether his actions prior to the investigation result in criminal charges or not remains to be seen; we haven't gotten that far yet. But let's be honest here; it seems rather likely.

The charges against him are serious, but no one should lose sight of the bigger picture: The special prosecutor has apparently found no evidence that anyone was guilty of anything two years ago...

That's because they haven't gotten that far yet. Give it time.
 
Alastor,

Your reply to my post is couched mostly in generalities and quite broad analogies, most of which have a 'common sense' element of truth to them, as such broad analogies must in order to be useful. Unfortunately, we are dealing with a specific statute here, not generalities. Consequently, perhaps you should read the statute in question. To help you get from the general to the specific, here is a quick summary from a couple of Washington lawyers published in an article in the WSJ...

"The law at issue here is the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA), which makes it a federal crime, in certain circumstances, to reveal the identity of a covert agent. According to the IIPA's legislative history, it was enacted precisely because the existing 1917 Espionage Act, while seemingly all-encompassing, was "inadequate" to the task. In filling this void with the IIPA, Congress also acknowledged the competing interests at stake -- balancing national security imperatives against free speech considerations. The law was not designed to shield the CIA or its employees from all public scrutiny or criticism, since it criminalizes only those disclosures which "clearly represent a conscious and pernicious effort to identify and expose agents with the intent to impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States."

Congress did not, as a result, forbid the identification of anyone serving in a "classified" status. Genuinely covert agents alone were to be protected -- "only those identities which it has determined to be absolutely necessary to protect for reasons of imminent danger to life or significant interference with vital intelligence activities." Thus, under the act, criminal sanctions can be imposed only if the identity revealed is (1) of someone whose status is classified and who is serving, or has served within five years, outside the U.S.; and (2) where the alleged leaker knows that the U.S. is "taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States." Indeed, the carefully worded language reflects a clear congressional purpose to make this law the exclusive venue for punishing the disclosures of intelligence agents' identities -- removing this offense from the Espionage Act's purview altogether. (Any other interpretation would lead to an absurd result, making it easier to punish the leaking of an ostensibly classified U.S.-based CIA analyst than the outing of a genuinely at-risk covert operative overseas.)"


Link to source

Note the provision in the statute specifying that the U.S. is "taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States". Now consider the CIA actions in the matter, as detailed by a former chief counsel for the Senate Intelligence Committee...

• First: The CIA sent her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, to Niger on a sensitive mission regarding WMD. He was to determine whether Iraq had attempted to purchase yellowcake, an essential ingredient for nonconventional weapons. However, it was Ms. Plame, not Mr. Wilson, who was the WMD expert. Moreover, Mr. Wilson had no intelligence background, was never a senior person in Niger when he was in the State Department, and was opposed to the administration's Iraq policy. The assignment was given, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee, at Ms. Plame's suggestion.

• Second: Mr. Wilson was not required to sign a confidentiality agreement, a mandatory act for the rest of us who either carry out any similar CIA assignment or who represent CIA clients.

• Third: When he returned from Niger, Mr. Wilson was not required to write a report, but rather merely to provide an oral briefing. That information was not sent to the White House. If this mission to Niger were so important, wouldn't a competent intelligence agency want a thoughtful written assessment from the "missionary," if for no other reason than to establish a record to refute any subsequent misrepresentation of that assessment? Because it was the vice president who initially inquired about Niger and the yellowcake (although he had nothing to do with Mr. Wilson being sent), it is curious that neither his office nor the president's were privy to the fruits of Mr. Wilson's oral report.

• Fourth: Although Mr. Wilson did not have to write even one word for the agency that sent him on the mission at taxpayer's expense, over a year later he was permitted to tell all about this sensitive assignment in the New York Times. For the rest of us, writing about such an assignment would mean we'd have to bring our proposed op-ed before the CIA's Prepublication Review Board and spend countless hours arguing over every word to be published. Congressional oversight committees should want to know who at the CIA permitted the publication of the article, which, it has been reported, did not jibe with the thrust of Mr. Wilson's oral briefing. For starters, if the piece had been properly vetted at the CIA, someone should have known that the agency never briefed the vice president on the trip, as claimed by Mr. Wilson in his op-ed.

• Fifth: More important than the inaccuracies is the fact that, if the CIA truly, truly, truly had wanted Ms. Plame's identity to be secret, it never would have permitted her spouse to write the op-ed. Did no one at Langley think that her identity could be compromised if her spouse wrote a piece discussing a foreign mission about a volatile political issue that focused on her expertise? The obvious question a sophisticated journalist such as Mr. Novak asked after "Why did the CIA send Wilson?" was "Who is Wilson?" After being told by a still-unnamed administration source that Mr. Wilson's "wife" suggested him for the assignment, Mr. Novak went to Who's Who, which reveals "Valerie Plame" as Mr. Wilson's spouse.

• Sixth: CIA incompetence did not end there. When Mr. Novak called the agency to verify Ms. Plame's employment, it not only did so, but failed to go beyond the perfunctory request not to publish. Every experienced Washington journalist knows that when the CIA really does not want something public, there are serious requests from the top, usually the director. Only the press office talked to Mr. Novak.

• Seventh: Although high-ranking Justice Department officials are prohibited from political activity, the CIA had no problem permitting its deep cover or classified employee from making political contributions under the name "Wilson, Valerie E.," information publicly available at the FEC.


Link to source

Thus a former chief counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee (not some insta-pundit blogger) is saying that the CIA conduct in this matter is either a brilliant covert action against the White House or inept intelligence tradecraft. Now, tell me again, where is the crime?

Hope this helps your understanding of the matter.
 
oldreliable67 said:
Alastor,

Your reply to my post is couched mostly in generalities and quite broad analogies, most of which have a 'common sense' element of truth to them, as such broad analogies must in order to be useful. Unfortunately, we are dealing with a specific statute here, not generalities. Consequently, perhaps you should read the statute in question. To help you get from the general to the specific, here is a quick summary from a couple of Washington lawyers published in an article in the WSJ...

"The law at issue here is the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA), which makes it a federal crime, in certain circumstances, to reveal the identity of a covert agent. According to the IIPA's legislative history, it was enacted precisely because the existing 1917 Espionage Act, while seemingly all-encompassing, was "inadequate" to the task. In filling this void with the IIPA, Congress also acknowledged the competing interests at stake -- balancing national security imperatives against free speech considerations. The law was not designed to shield the CIA or its employees from all public scrutiny or criticism, since it criminalizes only those disclosures which "clearly represent a conscious and pernicious effort to identify and expose agents with the intent to impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States."

Congress did not, as a result, forbid the identification of anyone serving in a "classified" status. Genuinely covert agents alone were to be protected -- "only those identities which it has determined to be absolutely necessary to protect for reasons of imminent danger to life or significant interference with vital intelligence activities." Thus, under the act, criminal sanctions can be imposed only if the identity revealed is (1) of someone whose status is classified and who is serving, or has served within five years, outside the U.S.; and (2) where the alleged leaker knows that the U.S. is "taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States." Indeed, the carefully worded language reflects a clear congressional purpose to make this law the exclusive venue for punishing the disclosures of intelligence agents' identities -- removing this offense from the Espionage Act's purview altogether. (Any other interpretation would lead to an absurd result, making it easier to punish the leaking of an ostensibly classified U.S.-based CIA analyst than the outing of a genuinely at-risk covert operative overseas.)"


Link to source

Note the provision in the statute specifying that the U.S. is "taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States". Now consider the CIA actions in the matter, as detailed by a former chief counsel for the Senate Intelligence Committee...

• First: The CIA sent her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, to Niger on a sensitive mission regarding WMD. He was to determine whether Iraq had attempted to purchase yellowcake, an essential ingredient for nonconventional weapons. However, it was Ms. Plame, not Mr. Wilson, who was the WMD expert. Moreover, Mr. Wilson had no intelligence background, was never a senior person in Niger when he was in the State Department, and was opposed to the administration's Iraq policy. The assignment was given, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee, at Ms. Plame's suggestion.

• Second: Mr. Wilson was not required to sign a confidentiality agreement, a mandatory act for the rest of us who either carry out any similar CIA assignment or who represent CIA clients.

• Third: When he returned from Niger, Mr. Wilson was not required to write a report, but rather merely to provide an oral briefing. That information was not sent to the White House. If this mission to Niger were so important, wouldn't a competent intelligence agency want a thoughtful written assessment from the "missionary," if for no other reason than to establish a record to refute any subsequent misrepresentation of that assessment? Because it was the vice president who initially inquired about Niger and the yellowcake (although he had nothing to do with Mr. Wilson being sent), it is curious that neither his office nor the president's were privy to the fruits of Mr. Wilson's oral report.

• Fourth: Although Mr. Wilson did not have to write even one word for the agency that sent him on the mission at taxpayer's expense, over a year later he was permitted to tell all about this sensitive assignment in the New York Times. For the rest of us, writing about such an assignment would mean we'd have to bring our proposed op-ed before the CIA's Prepublication Review Board and spend countless hours arguing over every word to be published. Congressional oversight committees should want to know who at the CIA permitted the publication of the article, which, it has been reported, did not jibe with the thrust of Mr. Wilson's oral briefing. For starters, if the piece had been properly vetted at the CIA, someone should have known that the agency never briefed the vice president on the trip, as claimed by Mr. Wilson in his op-ed.

• Fifth: More important than the inaccuracies is the fact that, if the CIA truly, truly, truly had wanted Ms. Plame's identity to be secret, it never would have permitted her spouse to write the op-ed. Did no one at Langley think that her identity could be compromised if her spouse wrote a piece discussing a foreign mission about a volatile political issue that focused on her expertise? The obvious question a sophisticated journalist such as Mr. Novak asked after "Why did the CIA send Wilson?" was "Who is Wilson?" After being told by a still-unnamed administration source that Mr. Wilson's "wife" suggested him for the assignment, Mr. Novak went to Who's Who, which reveals "Valerie Plame" as Mr. Wilson's spouse.

• Sixth: CIA incompetence did not end there. When Mr. Novak called the agency to verify Ms. Plame's employment, it not only did so, but failed to go beyond the perfunctory request not to publish. Every experienced Washington journalist knows that when the CIA really does not want something public, there are serious requests from the top, usually the director. Only the press office talked to Mr. Novak.

• Seventh: Although high-ranking Justice Department officials are prohibited from political activity, the CIA had no problem permitting its deep cover or classified employee from making political contributions under the name "Wilson, Valerie E.," information publicly available at the FEC.


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Thus a former chief counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee (not some insta-pundit blogger) is saying that the CIA conduct in this matter is either a brilliant covert action against the White House or inept intelligence tradecraft. Now, tell me again, where is the crime?

Hope this helps your understanding of the matter.
Great post.This is the best breakdown of a situation that got overly complicated by the media.
 
Well libs time to start looking for another watergate cuz the the Libby prosecutor said the wars not on trial and that this is a narrow case and no covert agent has been outted repeat no OUTTING of a covert agent has occurred so ha you're all wrong, have been wrong, and will probably continue being wrong just like I've been saying all along that Plame was not a covert agent. This isn't the real story anyways it's a liberal media inspired smoke screen to hide the fact that Plame sent her Kerry campaign worker biased with no history in intelligence gathering husband Joe Wilson to Niger for the sould purpose of discrediting the administration.
 
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