For Repubs to Win, Nominate Kasich

[MAGAnificent]

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Mar 30, 2016 - All four early appointees to the rules committee for this year's Republican National Convention told POLITICO they're prepared to weaken or ...

The rules committee can propose rule changes, however they have to be voted on by the delegates....the majority of which are committed to Trump and Cruz. Dropping rule 40 is a very unlikely scenario.

 

[imyoda]

I suggest that you rent or buy the book "Clinton Cash". It shows what a farce the Clinton Foundation is. Very little of the money donated to the foundation actually is spent on those charities. The Foundation is largely a tool to sell influence that assists foreign governments and the businesses of well to do donors.

DO YOU actually believe everything you read before checking it out if it is real or bogus?

Clinton Cash Crushed By Facts As Author Admits He Has No Evidence Of Clinton Crimes
Clinton Cash Crushed By Facts As Author Admits He Has No Evidence Of Clinton Crimes
Politicus USA Loving Media Shamed As Publisher Forced To Make Revisions To Clinton Cash

ALSO SEE:
'Clinton Cash' publisher corrects '7 or 8' inaccurate passages - POLITICO
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...n-cash-author-hillary-changed-positions-indi/
Bill Clinton Cashed In When Hillary Became Secretary of State - ABC News
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/05/01/msnbcs-andrea-mitchell-presses-peter-schweizer/203500
http://www.newsweek.com/everything-you-need-know-about-clinton-cash-327694

“………..This is what the Republican Party is left with — they are the party of conspiracy theories, selling trash to a willing press. They can’t afford to discuss policy, because no one would vote for them if they did. So they go the Glenn Beck chalkboard and exploit the fears and political ignorance of the public………”
Enough said………

 

[Jack Hays]

However he does need to win eight states, otherwise he is not eligible in a brokered convention. It will only be Trump adn Cruz. The only way kasich could even be considred is if the GOP somehow manages to change the rules and drop rule 40. That is not likely going to be a successful effort.

Please review the link in #547. He does not need to win eight states; he needs the support of eight state delegations to the convention. After three or four ballots that will come into play.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You are 100% wrong. Unless the establishment republicans somehow manage to repeal rule 40, Kasich simply does not have a path to victory , unless between now and the convention he manages to win 7 more states. Without that or a rule change, he is pretty much out of it. It does not matter how many RINOs want him.

Rule 40 doesn't say you have to win 8 state primaries or caucuses.



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[upsideguy]

The rules committee can propose rule changes, however they have to be voted on by the delegates....the majority of which are committed to Trump and Cruz. Dropping rule 40 is a very unlikely scenario.

Actually, there are no set of rules, hence there is no rule 40. They establish the rules as one of the first order business. They can affirm the 2012 rules, but that affirmation requires a vote, otherwise the rules of 2012 expired at the conclusion of the 2012 convention

 

[Moderate Right]

From what I understand, rule 40 was only good for the first round of voting. After that it is basically a free for all. Seems like I read yesterday that they have finished this year's rules. Anyone get any details yet?

 

[mmi]

From what I understand, rule 40 was only good for the first round of voting.

I get a headache trying to figure this stuff out. I think the relevant point here may be that after the first ballot a lot of delegates (something like two-thirds) are no longer bound, and so if, e.g. ☺, some state delegations decide they want to back Kasich, there might be enough to expand the list of ballot choices.

This analysis (The (Rule) 40 Horsemen of the GOP Apocalypse) is a bit dated now — more than a whole month old, but it might help you get a headache.

>>basically a free for all.

Sounds like a possible outcome.

>>Seems like I read yesterday that they have finished this year's rules.

I don't see how that's possible. The RNC puts out its suggested rules in a couple of weeks, and those are gonna be acted on at the convention.

 

[Jack Hays]

A smart guy tries to foresee events.

Five Ways the Republican Race Could End - The Atlantic

 

[MAGAnificent]

DO YOU actually believe everything you read before checking it out if it is real or bogus?

Clinton Cash Crushed By Facts As Author Admits He Has No Evidence Of Clinton Crimes
Clinton Cash Crushed By Facts As Author Admits He Has No Evidence Of Clinton Crimes
Politicus USA Loving Media Shamed As Publisher Forced To Make Revisions To Clinton Cash

ALSO SEE:
'Clinton Cash' publisher corrects '7 or 8' inaccurate passages - POLITICO
'Clinton Cash' author: Hillary Clinton changed positions on India nuclear deal | PunditFact
Bill Clinton Cashed In When Hillary Became Secretary of State - ABC News
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/05/01/msnbcs-andrea-mitchell-presses-peter-schweizer/203500
http://www.newsweek.com/everything-you-need-know-about-clinton-cash-327694

“………..This is what the Republican Party is left with — they are the party of conspiracy theories, selling trash to a willing press. They can’t afford to discuss policy, because no one would vote for them if they did. So they go the Glenn Beck chalkboard and exploit the fears and political ignorance of the public………”
Enough said………

Cherry picked links against the book do not impress me, Yoda. every claim in the book is well sourced much of which comes from leftwing sources and the author himself is a New York liberal from the New York Times,

 

[imyoda]

Cherry picked links against the book do not impress me, Yoda. every claim in the book is well sourced much of which comes from leftwing sources and the author himself is a New York liberal from the New York Times,

I doubt anyone could impress you..........

Just as you cannot deny/prove wrong the facts of this subject

 

[MAGAnificent]

Please review the link in #547. He does not need to win eight states; he needs the support of eight state delegations to the convention. After three or four ballots that will come into play.

It still means he has to win a majority of the delegates in those eight states....which amounts to pretty much the same thing.....and Kasich is nowhere near that mark.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Actually, there are no set of rules, hence there is no rule 40. They establish the rules as one of the first order business. They can affirm the 2012 rules, but that affirmation requires a vote, otherwise the rules of 2012 expired at the conclusion of the 2012 convention

Once again, the rules committee can propose any change they like....however that change must be adopted by the majority of delegates.....which in the 2016 election is highly unlikely.

 

[MAGAnificent]

From what I understand, rule 40 was only good for the first round of voting. After that it is basically a free for all. Seems like I read yesterday that they have finished this year's rules. Anyone get any details yet?

Then you clearly misunderstand. Rule 40 in in effect for all rounds of voting,

 

[MAGAnificent]

I doubt anyone could impress you..........

Just as you cannot deny/prove wrong the facts of this subject

Read the book rather then some cherry picked leftwing articles claiming to debunk it. Then we can talk.

 

[Jack Hays]

It still means he has to win a majority of the delegates in those eight states....which amounts to pretty much the same thing.....and Kasich is nowhere near that mark.

It will take a few ballots but they'll get there.

 

[upsideguy]

Once again, the rules committee can propose any change they like....however that change must be adopted by the majority of delegates.....which in the 2016 election is highly unlikely.

Actually, its the other way around.... there are no rules. Therefore, there is no process to change anything. In fact, the first order of business is to set the rules for the convention.

The first rule of the GOP convention is that there are no rules | Washington Examiner
John Kasich claims 'no rules' in place for picking GOP presidential nominee at convention | PolitiFact Wisconsin

 

[MAGAnificent]

It will take a few ballots but they'll get there.

Unless the rules are changed, rule 40 will prevent Kasich from being running on any ballot but the first.

 

[Jack Hays]

Unless the rules are changed, rule 40 will prevent Kasich from being running on any ballot but the first.

I believe you are wrong about that. After the first ballot any delegate can vote for any candidate, even one not placed in nomination.

 

[mmi]

After the first ballot any delegate can vote for any candidate, even one not placed in nomination.

I can't find anything authoritative on this. My thought is that if no one gets 1237 on the first ballot, then there must be a second ballot. At that time, many delegates will become unbound. That means Kasich might get the support of the majority of eight delegations to have his name placed in nomination, even assuming 40(b) remains in force.

In any event, unless Frumpy or Scruz can get 1237 on some ballot, first, second, or twenty-eighth, there can be no nominee unless something is changed. It seems unlikely that Frump or Scruz will reach a deal to have one or the other win, so unless the convention adjourns without nominating anyone, the process looks pretty much open to me.

Two possibilities: a) Frump reaches 1237, either through the primaries/caucuses or on a first ballot through some kind of deal/maneuvering, and wins, or b) we just can't predict what will happen.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I believe you are wrong about that. After the first ballot any delegate can vote for any candidate, even one not placed in nomination.

I am 100% right. Rule 40 was passed in order to prevent Ron Paul from sucking up delegates in a possible brokered convention in 2012. Paul had no chance whatosever of winning on a first ballot. it was passed to prevent him from sucking up delegates in any second third, or fourth ballot, etc.

 

[Moderate Right]

I am 100% right. Rule 40 was passed in order to prevent Ron Paul from sucking up delegates in a possible brokered convention in 2012. Paul had no chance whatosever of winning on a first ballot. it was passed to prevent him from sucking up delegates in any second third, or fourth ballot, etc.

But, from what I understand, the rules actually haven't been written yet. 2012 rules were for 2012.

 

[mmi]

I am 100% right. Paul had no chance whatosever of winning on a first ballot. it was passed to prevent him from sucking up delegates in any second third, or fourth ballot, etc.

Romney had 1575 going into the convention. There was never going to be a second ballot. Mittens just didn't want Ron Paul's name placed in nomination. You may think yer "100% right," but in my experience, on this and other matters, yer estimates of the validity of yer views is greatly exaggerated.

 

[MAGAnificent]

But, from what I understand, the rules actually haven't been written yet. 2012 rules were for 2012.

The rule was written in the lead up to the 2012 convention to keep Ron Paul out. The rule remains in effect until it is changed or dropped. The GOP may very well attempt to change it, however that change has to be adopted by a majority of delegates.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Romney had 1575 going into the convention. There was never going to be a second ballot. Mittens just didn't want Ron Paul's name placed in nomination. You may think yer "100% right," but in my experience, on this and other matters, yer estimates of the validity of yer views is greatly exaggerated.

However the GOP establishment still felt the need to protect Romney from Ron Paul. Why the change was made is not the point. The point is that the rule still exists.

 

[Jack Hays]

I can't find anything authoritative on this. My thought is that if no one gets 1237 on the first ballot, then there must be a second ballot. At that time, many delegates will become unbound. That means Kasich might get the support of the majority of eight delegations to have his name placed in nomination, even assuming 40(b) remains in force.

In any event, unless Frumpy or Scruz can get 1237 on some ballot, first, second, or twenty-eighth, there can be no nominee unless something is changed. It seems unlikely that Frump or Scruz will reach a deal to have one or the other win, so unless the convention adjourns without nominating anyone, the process looks pretty much open to me.

Two possibilities: a) Frump reaches 1237, either through the primaries/caucuses or on a first ballot through some kind of deal/maneuvering, and wins, or b) we just can't predict what will happen.

I believe you have it covered. I especially like possibility "b)".