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For Repubs to Win, Nominate Kasich

phattonez said:
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Do you see any transformation here?

Look, I agree that Hispanics actually might change their voting patterns with time. I'm part Cuban and my family is solidly Republican, though I'm far more conservative than any of them and so don't tend to vote for Republicans. That said, we're importing a lot of Hispanics right now, and with current levels there is no assimilation going on. 40% of Los Angeles is foreign-born. Should we be surprised then that Los Angeles is solidly blue?

If we're talking about limiting immigration and not granting amnesty to all of the illegals, then we might find some compromise. When it's talk about amnesty and basically allowing unlimited third world immigration, forget about it. They'll all vote blue, and destroy our culture in the process.
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I disagree. Immigration has been the foundation of American greatness, and our period of freest immigration was our period of greatest growth.
 
tres borrachos said:
My husband voted for Kasich in NH. I was a Rubio girl but very easily could have gone to Kasich. I almost did, after the NH debate.
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Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

I voted for Kasich for several reasons. He is my Governor and Ohio voters proved our loyalty to him as the final vote count showed he won by a large margin; I personally like the man and approve of his decision not to take the "low road" in his campaigning; and Kasich has been in 13 political contests over the years in Ohio as both Congressman and two-term Governor against Democrat opponents - and won all 13 of them with votes from both parties - which is a remarkable accomplishment, IMO! :thumbs: :happy:
 
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Jack Hays said:
I disagree. Immigration has been the foundation of American greatness, and our period of freest immigration was our period of greatest growth.
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Do you mean the early 20th century? That was also a time of big political changes, and actually lead to the era of quotas until immigration reform of the 1960's. We also then did not tolerate illegal immigration and tried to handle it even as recently as the '50s through Operation Wetback.
 
phattonez said:
Do you mean the early 20th century? That was also a time of big political changes, and actually lead to the era of quotas until immigration reform of the 1960's. We also then did not tolerate illegal immigration and tried to handle it even as recently as the '50s through Operation Wetback.
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Post Civil War 19th century.
 
disneydude said:
That about sums it up!
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My wife is a speech pathologist who has helped aspiring politicians hone their delivery skills. She said that Cruz has one of the most unnatural speaking styles she has ever seen in a successful politician. Every word is measured to seem ten times as important as it otherwise really is. His pauses are meant to pretend that what he is about to say is really big stuff and you need to listen. She said he is a man who has to fight to control his every word and he does not trust himself to simply ad lib and let it go as most politicians do.

My two cents is that he is far more of the extreme which bat guano nut job that even he has let on and this speaking style only is the top of a very revolting iceberg.
 
Jack Hays said:
The Fox News poll has a clear message for those Repubs whose minds are uncluttered by fantasy: Nominate Kasich and win. Nominate Trump and lose.

Fox News Poll: Cruz, Kasich ahead of Clinton in 2016 hypothetical matchupsFox News‎ - 1 day ago

Republicans are eager to win back the White House in 2016. A new Fox News national poll ...

Republicans are eager to win back the White House in 2016. A new Fox News national poll finds both John Kasich and Ted Cruz ahead of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in hypothetical matchups, while Donald Trump trails her.
Kasich does best against Clinton. He has a double-digit advantage and also comes in above the 50 percent mark: 51 percent to Clinton’s 40 percent.
Cruz is preferred over Clinton by three percentage points (47-44 percent).
Clinton tops GOP front-runner Donald Trump by 11 points (49-38 percent).
CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS
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At breakfast, do you think Kasich tells his wife that he knows a good night's sleep can be very beneficial because he's done it?
 
haymarket said:
My wife is a speech pathologist who has helped aspiring politicians hone their delivery skills. She said that Cruz has one of the most unnatural speaking styles she has ever seen in a successful politician. Every word is measured to seem ten times as important as it otherwise really is. His pauses are meant to pretend that what he is about to say is really big stuff and you need to listen. She said he is a man who has to fight to control his every word and he does not trust himself to simply ad lib and let it go as most politicians do.

My two cents is that he is far more of the extreme which bat guano nut job that even he has let on and this speaking style only is the top of a very revolting iceberg.
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Boy you're not kidding about that.
It's so obvious and uncomfortable to watch.
 
haymarket said:
My wife is a speech pathologist who has helped aspiring politicians hone their delivery skills. She said that Cruz has one of the most unnatural speaking styles she has ever seen in a successful politician. Every word is measured to seem ten times as important as it otherwise really is. His pauses are meant to pretend that what he is about to say is really big stuff and you need to listen. She said he is a man who has to fight to control his every word and he does not trust himself to simply ad lib and let it go as most politicians do.

My two cents is that he is far more of the extreme which bat guano nut job that even he has let on and this speaking style only is the top of a very revolting iceberg.
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Cruz may speak the way he does because he was an ace debater. He won some debating award at Princeton and a debate championship. He later represented Harvard at a debating championship elsewhere, but lost that one.
 
JumpinJack said:
Cruz may speak the way he does because he was an ace debater. He won some debating award at Princeton and a debate championship. He later represented Harvard at a debating championship elsewhere, but lost that one.
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You might be correct but I really think not. - his style has nothing to do with what they teach you in debate. In fact its just the opposite as those phony pretend poignant pauses would eat up half his allowed ten minutes before half his case has been made. I strongly suspect he learned this later after college.

I debated in college for two years all over America and never saw anybody with a style like that.
 
I already voted for Kasich once, so I would gladly vote for him again in November. But, I certainly will not vote for Trump or Cruz.
 
haymarket said:
You might be correct but I really think not. - his style has nothing to do with what they teach you in debate. In fact its just the opposite as those phony pretend poignant pauses would eat up half his allowed ten minutes before half his case has been made. I strongly suspect he learned this later after college.

I debated in college for two years all over America and never saw anybody with a style like that.
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Based on the record, he would have beaten you like a drum.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[SUP][31][/SUP] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][32][/SUP] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[SUP][33][/SUP] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton, also Team of the Year from the American Parliamentary Debate Association.[SUP][33][/SUP] Cruz and Panton would later represent Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, losing in the semi-finals to a team from Australia.[SUP][34][/SUP][SUP][35][/SUP][SUP][36][/SUP] Princeton's debate team named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[SUP][36][/SUP]
 
bubbabgone said:
At breakfast, do you think Kasich tells his wife that he knows a good night's sleep can be very beneficial because he's done it?
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Kasich is a scumbag, but the media's not reporting on it. Remember those stories that came out about Rubio after he dropped out that the MSM was sitting on? Yeah, there's more than a few of those regarding Kasich.

Like when he lied about a police officer in front of a union meeting in order to humiliate someone for doing their job. He's not nearly as slimy as Cruz, but he's really a big self-entitled asshole that the media is treating with kiddie gloves because he's in the tank with the establishment.
 
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Fair enough. Doesn't seem out of line for new arrivals. Point is that immigrants move rightward politically after they are established. Italians would be a relevant example.
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Not so sure about that. Italians are fully assimilated now so don't represent a voting block. People of Italian heritage probably vote according to where they live or how they were raised. In the south, they may vote Republican. In a big city urban area, they may vote Democratic. Can't track it anymore, really. Others are:

Irish - Democratic.

Asian - Democratic.

Polish - Mainly Democrats (moderate) and Independents.

French - Not a voting block

Greek - Democratic Party

Jewish - Democratic

Hispanic/Latino - Democratic/Independent

Don't know about Middle Easterners or which are large enough to be voting blocks

Immigrant muslims (a TINY voting group), as opposed to American-born converts - Democratic (they leaned Republican until the election of George H.W. Bush, who took a hard pro-Israel stance. THEN Bush Jr. courted them and won more muslim votes than Gore, it's estimated. Since then, though...well, we know what has happened.) Muslims are probably naturally Republican, having a lot of professionals and being family-oriented and business-friendly.


I think that maybe people of British heritage, and/or the norwegian countries, are Republican. (Swedish, German, British, Danish), to the extent that these are recognized groups and can be considered voting blocks.

Indigenous groups:

Women - Mainly Democratic.

Men - Divided between the two, and more likely than women to self-identify as Independent

African Americans - Mainly Democratic.

Whites - Republican/Independent

White Southerners - Republicans

Post Graduates - Democratic

College Degreed - Democratic

Millennials - Democratic

Older people - Republican


Mormons - Republican
Evangelicals - Republican
Catholic - Their other groups controlled; Catholics were all over the place according to their other controlling groups
No religious affiliation - Democratic


The Republicans seem to be in danger of painting themselves into a corner of having only a couple of voting groups to rely on.

I got this info from various sources, but a lot of it can be found at A Deep Dive Into Party Affiliation | Pew Research Center
 
Jack Hays said:
Based on the record, he would have beaten you like a drum.

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[SUP][31][/SUP] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][32][/SUP] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[SUP][33][/SUP] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton, also Team of the Year from the American Parliamentary Debate Association.[SUP][33][/SUP] Cruz and Panton would later represent Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, losing in the semi-finals to a team from Australia.[SUP][34][/SUP][SUP][35][/SUP][SUP][36][/SUP] Princeton's debate team named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[SUP][36][/SUP]
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My debate years were 1969 and 70. I believe Cruz was a wee lad at the time so your fantasizing is just that.
 
haymarket said:
My debate years were 1969 and 70. I believe Cruz was a wee lad at the time so your fantasizing is just that.
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You're the one who was making claims. I find Cruz repellent, but in the world of debate he seems to have been your superior by a significant margin.
 
Jack Hays said:
You're the one who was making claims. I find Cruz repellent, but in the world of debate he seems to have been your superior by a significant margin.
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Gee whiz - I made no claim about my abilities compared to Cruz. That speculation came from yourself.

btw- I debated on a team... two people going Affirmative and two people going Negative. You won or lost as a team. Yes, there were individual awards for best speaker - but it was a team endeavor.
 
haymarket said:
You might be correct but I really think not. - his style has nothing to do with what they teach you in debate. In fact its just the opposite as those phony pretend poignant pauses would eat up half his allowed ten minutes before half his case has been made. I strongly suspect he learned this later after college.

I debated in college for two years all over America and never saw anybody with a style like that.
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haymarket said:
Gee whiz - I made no claim about my abilities compared to Cruz. That speculation came from yourself.

btw- I debated on a team... two people going Affirmative and two people going Negative. You won or lost as a team. Yes, there were individual awards for best speaker - but it was a team endeavor.
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Looks like you were setting yourself up as an authority to critique his style. And btw, Cruz debated on a team too.
 
reinoe said:
Kasich is a scumbag, but the media's not reporting on it. Remember those stories that came out about Rubio after he dropped out that the MSM was sitting on? Yeah, there's more than a few of those regarding Kasich.

Like when he lied about a police officer in front of a union meeting in order to humiliate someone for doing their job. He's not nearly as slimy as Cruz, but he's really a big self-entitled asshole that the media is treating with kiddie gloves because he's in the tank with the establishment.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.
None of these guys are completely appealing to me.
Some are just less appealing than others.
But none of them can be less appealing than Hillary or Bernie.
So the November choice has been made for me.
That let's me sit back and be picky.

What have you heard about Kasich besides his Democratic flirtation?
 
I'm so ****ing sick of this ****ing ****. ****ing RINOs should just join the dims already. Kasich has no mathematical path to the nomination. He needs to go away already.
 
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