For Betar or Worse: Fighting the Zionist doxers

[TangoNoCash]

Schools are supposed to be open to discussion of the market place of ideas. It’s sad they cannot stand for that anymore. The first amendment weeps.

 

[Gardener]

No. But protesting in front of a university could be. Engaging in a physical altercation is a crime. A simple protest is not, however.

Then we agree.

 

[Gardener]

We Jews would have to be infinitely more stupid to believe that Trump's attacks on universities and foreign students have anything to do with protecting Jews....

This and the whole "pro-Israel" stance are purely cynical.

It's cute to watch those of you who simply cannot discuss an issue without invoking the name of the one you have been trained to fear.

 

[Craig234]

I agree there has to be a limit. However, the sort of thing Ercelik was reported in that article to have done is exactly the case that the "foreign policy" deportations were originally intended to address. War is something you want to deport. If someone is going to commit a crime directly against an opposing immigrant group or its ethnic supporters, maintaining the peace justifies a pretty low threshold. Ripping an Israeli flag out of the hands of a protester and cutting it up with a knife is a violation of freedom of expression - which is what I want to have - and of their property rights, and inevitably, if you use a potential weapon to visibly violate someone's rights in front of them, it creates a question of what else you'd do with the weapon.

I want a society where backers of Israel and Palestine feel free and safe to come out and protest and stand right in front of each other and argue. But I want America to be a place where the war is fought with words only.

I think you're being somewhat naive in not recognizing the politicization of the issue - mobs of Zionists have attacked peaceful protesters without repercussions without consequences, none deported. I'm not talking about you approving of that, but recognizing your opinion of what's right has little bearing on that. People are being deported just for saying they condemn the genocide.

 

[markdc]

It's always the same with the rightwing clowns, they simply look at who Trump supports or who he has issues with, and they take their marching orders from there.
I AGREE that any protestors that commit an act of violence should be charged, but I am no hypocrite, I believe that protestors who commit violence need to be charged regardless of political affiliation.

Couldn’t agree more. One of the reasons why I didn’t vote for Trump in November was because he promised to pardon J6 rioters if elected.

Mark

 

[LouC]

https://thebaffler.com/latest/for-betar-or-worse-gais

IMO, if you’re a foreign student and you want to protest Israel’s actions in Gaza or anything else, as long as you do it peacefully, you shouldn’t be deported. But if you commit any violent acts or seize private or public property (like a university building), you should absolutely be sent back to your home country.

Mark

Works for me as long as any criminal acts have first been charged, tried, and sentences served, if any.

 

[markdc]

First, that puts you at odds with trump.

Good. I don't support him.

Second, I think there's a wrong thinking to want to demand perfection from immigrants. ANY crime, deported. That's not right IMO. Have a reasonable threshhold of the severity of the crime. Violent crime, ok. Threw an egg at a building in a political protest? Overreaction. We shouldn't expect zero issues with millions of immigrants. They're people and have a much lower crime rate than natives.

If a foreign student gets, say, a speeding ticket, I wouldn't support deportation. If they commit violence or threaten people, out they go.

Mark

 

[markdc]

^^
If anyone should be sent to Uganda...

Sounds good to me.

Mark

 

[Craig234]

If a foreign student gets, say, a speeding ticket, I wouldn't support deportation. If they commit violence or threaten people, out they go.

OK. It's the in-between then that is the question. Now they are deporting people not only for just speech, but for nothing, perhaps for having an innocent tattoo.