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Medusa said:
did you try interpreting these books from a different perspective ? ido you think every word in these books comes out of god's mouth*

if you think this way ,it is not surprising to get dissappointed with meaning of holy books
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I'm an atheist, of course I don't think every word came out of god's mouth, and I don't think that I expect that from a holy book even if I did believe in a God. I would however ask for a book that is better written than the ones that I have read. If you take the bible for instance, and look at a foundational pillar of the religion, the ten commandments, the ten laws that are most important to humanity and living a Godly life etc. etc. and I could easily come up with a better list of ten rules with a six pack of beer and a few hours. Nothing about incest, rape, slavery, etc. Sorry, but if that's the best that a holy book can do then I'm not impressed.

Also, I think I know where your going but please elaborate if I'm off the mark. You want me to judge the bible in a different way so that i can understand the real meaning behind it. Which, in other words, ignore all spots in the bible that I have problems with and ignore the immoral parts and then believe in it because if I ignore the bad parts it's actually a really good book? That's the only way I can describe how other Christians have described how I need to look at it, but if you have another way please tell me.
 
Medusa said:
you(atheists) are always on guard against any word relating to god and always ask evidence...this kind of extermism is not different from those bigots.
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That's simply a bull**** statement. I go to Christmas and Easter mass with my wife's family each year, respectfully, I bow my head before eating dinner with them while they pray, respectfully, I had a Catholic Priest officiate our wedding because my wife wanted the Catholic wedding as her family has always done, the only time I practically ever argue religion is on a debate forum like this.
 
Medusa said:
i understand your psychology and logical approach to religions and holy books but what i cant understand is that many of you seem to be fighting against a god that does not exist.you can criticize the holy books and the believers for having stupid beliefs but you dont need to claim " the god in holy books are so violent, bigot stupid ,etc.." if there is no god.i think he doesnt have to ask your permission to be stupid or not:mrgreen:

your point of view on the concept of god is based on whether there is a proof that god exists..if there is a proof ,we stop calling ourselves" believer" .many of you are intelligent enough to be an atheist but still dont understand what god means to a believer.
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Throughout my life, I have never believed in any god. I thought about it, but the god or gods in all the mainstream religions seem pretty fake to me. I have never told anybody that the god they believe in is mean or stupid. Whatever god they believe in is not for me to define. I would just caution you that the loudest representative of a group is not always the best representative.
 
roughdraft274 said:
That's simply a bull**** statement. I go to Christmas and Easter mass with my wife's family each year, respectfully, I bow my head before eating dinner with them while they pray, respectfully, I had a Catholic Priest officiate our wedding because my wife wanted the Catholic wedding as her family has always done, the only time I practically ever argue religion is on a debate forum like this.
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i refer to militant atheists .
 
roughdraft274 said:
I'm an atheist, of course I don't think every word came out of god's mouth, and I don't think that I expect that from a holy book even if I did believe in a God. I would however ask for a book that is better written than the ones that I have read. If you take the bible for instance, and look at a foundational pillar of the religion, the ten commandments, the ten laws that are most important to humanity and living a Godly life etc. etc. and I could easily come up with a better list of ten rules with a six pack of beer and a few hours. Nothing about incest, rape, slavery, etc. Sorry, but if that's the best that a holy book can do then I'm not impressed.

Also, I think I know where your going but please elaborate if I'm off the mark. You want me to judge the bible in a different way so that i can understand the real meaning behind it. Which, in other words, ignore all spots in the bible that I have problems with and ignore the immoral parts and then believe in it because if I ignore the bad parts it's actually a really good book? That's the only way I can describe how other Christians have described how I need to look at it, but if you have another way please tell me.
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i felt so dissappointed when i first read qoran and bible when i was 17.because i came across lots of verses which my conscience and my mind couldnt accept (slavery , woman rights , )..but in time ,i thought that religion is a case of feeling ....and those prophets just got inspired by god and wanted to inform their people of the fact of god.

thats why i can beleive in god in a a deistic way...i believe many people are more like deists because they cant practise everything in these books...
 
Medusa said:
i felt so dissappointed when i first read qoran and bible when i was 17.because i came across lots of verses which my conscience and my mind couldnt accept (slavery , woman rights , )..but in time ,i thought that religion is a case of feeling ....and those prophets just got inspired by god and wanted to inform their people of the fact of god.

thats why i can beleive in god in a a deistic way...i believe many people are more like deists because they cant practise everything in these books...
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That's fine if your a deist, but if you are a deist then you and I should view these books the exact same way. They are humans flawed and bad attempts at explaining the world / controlling others.
 
roughdraft274 said:
That's fine if your a deist, but if you are a deist then you and I should view these books the exact same way. They are humans flawed and bad attempts at explaining the world / controlling others.
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i am a deistic believer like many people who are not aware of this..in my opinion , firstly you must have a heart ,then you can be atheist or believer
 
Medusa said:
i felt so dissappointed when i first read qoran and bible when i was 17.because i came across lots of verses which my conscience and my mind couldnt accept (slavery , woman rights , )..but in time ,i thought that religion is a case of feeling ....and those prophets just got inspired by god and wanted to inform their people of the fact of god.

thats why i can beleive in god in a a deistic way...i believe many people are more like deists because they cant practise everything in these books...
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So in other words, you just pick and choose what you want to believe, based on what you already accept? The concept of a god is just one to make you feel better, not one that you actually give any credence to? After all, if there really is a god who wanted all of those things, that god wants them whether you like it or not. So if there was an actual god that wanted slavery or racism or genocide, what are you going to do about it? Refuse to believe in all the bad parts?
 
It's not that we can't understand why theists believe or what the think they gain from it. But it's pointless and self defeating. Everything mankind has gained it earned itself. No sky fairy willed it, no magical pixie helped. Gods steal the power of mankind. So instead we're just correcting a misconseptoon, a dangerous one at that. You need no god to be good. No gods are required to be moral or decent. You have that power. Teach a man to fish and all of that.
 
Cephus said:
So in other words, you just pick and choose what you want to believe, based on what you already accept? The concept of a god is just one to make you feel better, not one that you actually give any credence to? After all, if there really is a god who wanted all of those things, that god wants them whether you like it or not. So if there was an actual god that wanted slavery or racism or genocide, what are you going to do about it? Refuse to believe in all the bad parts?
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god didnt want humans to enslave each others although he let it happen..you must also believe in fate if you believe in god.
 
Medusa said:
god didnt want humans to enslave each others although he let it happen..you must also believe in fate if you believe in god.
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No. It wanted us enslaved to it. Truth is not even gods can compete against the full and true nature of humans. We have the power to surpass the gods.
 
Ikari said:
It's not that we can't understand why theists believe or what the think they gain from it. But it's pointless and self defeating. Everything mankind has gained it earned itself. No sky fairy willed it, no magical pixie helped. Gods steal the power of mankind. So instead we're just correcting a misconseptoon, a dangerous one at that. You need no god to be good. No gods are required to be moral or decent. You have that power. Teach a man to fish and all of that.
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yes thats what i mean.god is not a magician who sends us food from the sky..instead of that ,he created the laws of physics and a natural balance form which humans can benefit
 
Medusa said:
god didnt want humans to enslave each others although he let it happen..you must also believe in fate if you believe in god.
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And how do you know that? I love watching theists just make these grand sweeping claims about what God wants or doesn't want when they can't demonstrate any ability to actually come to that piece of supposed knowledge.
 
Ikari said:
No. It wanted us enslaved to it. Truth is not even gods can compete against the full and true nature of humans. We have the power to surpass the gods.
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you can die from any reason ,you are not that strong yet
 
Cephus said:
And how do you know that? I love watching theists just make these grand sweeping claims about what God wants or doesn't want when they can't demonstrate any ability to actually come to that piece of supposed knowledge.
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do you claim god wanted it *:mrgreen:
 
Medusa said:
yes thats what i mean.god is not a magician who sends us food from the sky..instead of that ,he created the laws of physics and a natural balance form which humans can benefit
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Not according to the major religions. And if God is just supposed to be nature, what's the point? We've already demonstrated superiority against nature.
 
Medusa said:
you can die from any reason ,you are not that strong yet
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Not yet. But our potential is already there. Life and death, creation and destruction are the tools of humans. We're gods already and we haven't yet hit our potential. Gods rob from man so they can live. **** em
 
Medusa said:
do you claim god wanted it *:mrgreen:
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No, I don't have any reason to think any gods exist. You're the one making the claim, it's up to you to back it up. Of course, I don't expect you to do anything, it's amazing that your god just so happens to agree with you on everything. :roll:
 
roflpublican said:
indeed:
Geoengineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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we can manipulate nature at will.
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Getting closer. Can't stop hurricanes and blah. But I wouldn't put it past us.

I look at out religions and texts of such as an analogy to humanity itself. We have the power of gods and devils and it is up to us to decide how to use it.
 
Ikari said:
Not according to the major religions. And if God is just supposed to be nature, what's the point? We've already demonstrated superiority against nature.
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the fact that he sometimes demonstrated some miracles doesnt mean he is magician but he has superior powers to make you believe.

god created nature ,how can he be nature?

and we dont need to live in a jungle full of wilds ,we can die of anything any time..earthquakes ,floods ,fires ...tsunami
 
Is there something to the fact that Buddhists have killed the least people in the name of our religion, and have no need for a belief in an almighty creator deity?
 
Medusa said:
i understand your psychology and logical approach to religions and holy books but what i cant understand is that many of you seem to be fighting against a god that does not exist.you can criticize the holy books and the believers for having stupid beliefs but you dont need to claim " the god in holy books are so violent, bigot stupid ,etc.." if there is no god.i think he doesnt have to ask your permission to be stupid or not:mrgreen:

your point of view on the concept of god is based on whether there is a proof that god exists..if there is a proof ,we stop calling ourselves" believer" .many of you are intelligent enough to be an atheist but still dont understand what god means to a believer.
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It's not that a god exists, but that there are people who pretend one does.

Man created the idea of god. The fact that there are so many different religions, and variations of single religions... adds weight to that notion. Religions can be created, and have been throughout the centuries. The latest was... Scientology?
 
Cephus said:
No, I don't have any reason to think any gods exist. You're the one making the claim, it's up to you to back it up. Of course, I don't expect you to do anything, it's amazing that your god just so happens to agree with you on everything. :roll:
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if he agreed with me on everything ,i would be the happiest person in this life.
and did ı ever say you seem more lovely when you use that smiley :mrgreen:
 
Ikari said:
Getting closer. Can't stop hurricanes and blah. But I wouldn't put it past us.

I look at out religions and texts of such as an analogy to humanity itself. We have the power of gods and devils and it is up to us to decide how to use it.
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well we can, the method is just extremely harmful to the environment, and involves destabalizing the eye wall with a very-large yield hydrogen bomb in the tsar-bomba range. but i'd still count that as a victory over nature :)
 
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