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Why is Trump Sending Troops into Blue Cities?

Why is Trump Sending Troops into Blue Cities?

  • He's socializing us to the presence of troops prior to the next election

    Votes: 36 65.5%

  • He honestly believes cities like Portland are "burning down"

    Votes: 12 21.8%

  • It's a distraction from the Epstein files and the cost of tariffs

    Votes: 35 63.6%

  • He's power mad, senile, or just plain nuts

    Votes: 38 69.1%
  • Total voters
    55
jpn said:
The “Red” vs. “Blue” Crime Debate and the Limits of Empirical Social Science
Our analysis, however, makes a very simple point: it is very easy to change the conclusion by manipulating the data in very simple ways. Increasingly complicated analyses will not get rid of this fact but instead will open even more opportunities for manipulation. In a very real sense, the sign and magnitude of the correlation between the Trump share of the vote and violence ultimately depend on whatever the researcher wishes to do with the data.​
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It seems to us that it would be far more productive to spend that time and effort debating the merits of actual policies, as opposed to measuring the effect of partisan leanings in the population. Democrats say that lax Republican gun laws drive up murder; Republicans say that Democratic mishandling of policing and prosecution is what really matters.​
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Let’s have those discussions, rather than interminably going back and forth over whose constituents are more violent. The U.S. certainly has more than enough murders to go around.​
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That's the dumbest pretzel logic study I've ever read. "Adjusting for Urbanization" is the statistical way of saying they diminished the urban violence impact and it makes the Blue-vs-red differences disappear, which is the equivalent of saying that Blue counties aren't more violent when you don't include cities in the evaluation. :rolleyes:

Also interesting that they found that there was no violence difference between blue and red counties when you did the same trick as above but with race, age and gender. When you realize what this is saying you'll like the actual conclusion that this study is skirting even less.
 
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Cassandra said:
I guess you find people in frog suits and dancing tigers singing bawdy songs- Just really frightening!
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I'm sorry you are to distracted by them to believe other events happen too.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I'm sorry you are to distracted by them to believe other events happen too.
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It's a flippin' war zone!
"Portland is burning to the ground" and is plagued by "insurrectionists all over the place!"
-President Trump-

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jmotivator said:
That's the dumbest pretzel logic study I've ever read. "Adjusting for Urbanization" is the statistical way of saying they diminished the urban violence impact and it makes the Blue-vs-red differences disappear, which is the equivalent of saying that Blue counties aren't more violent when you don't include cities in the evaluation. :rolleyes:

Also interesting that they found that there was no violence difference between blue and red counties when you did the same trick as above but with race, age and gender. When you realize what this is saying you'll like the actual conclusion that this study is skirting even less.
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I have posted for a long time studies by Krivo and Peterson showing there is no significant difference between Black and White crime rates when poverty levels are held equal in urban or rural areas.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I'm sorry you are to distracted by them to believe other events happen too.
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She doesn't believe "other things" like the total destruction of Portland from fire is going on.

The last time we discussed Portland, you didn't know how much cargo had dropped in your hometown. Why do I still have this feeling you just don't know what you are talking about... again.

My sister, niece and the family are fine. Besides, it is difficult for fires to stay lit in Portland.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I have posted for a long time studies by Krivo and Peterson showing there is no significant difference between Black and White crime rates when poverty levels are held equal in urban or rural areas.
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And? I encourage you to think a few moves ahead.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Make your own point, don't ask me to imagine your next twisted argument.
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My point is that you made an open ended statement without drawing a conclusion. My "And?" was asking you to actually draw a conclusion from the data you provided, and that you should probably consider the ramifications of your provided data.
 
jmotivator said:
My point is that you made an open ended statement without drawing a conclusion. My "And?" was asking you to actually draw a conclusion from the data you provided, and that you should probably consider the ramifications of your provided data.
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I know thats what you want to IMPLY, that you have some super secret conclusion that is just going to knock me on my ass, and if you can come up with it, it is going to be GREAT!

Keep me updated.
 
NoMoreDems-Reps said:
It is the Blues states that are socializing THEIR OWN PEOPLE in to accepting lawlessness and the NORM !

Trump is PROTECTING law abiding citizens from the Fascist and Oppressive DEM's !

Go look on line FOR YOURSELVES ! The people love that Trump has made their cities safe FOR THE PEOPLE !

Trump is fighting for ALL Americans ! And the DEM's are fighting AGAINST AMERICANS !

This should becoming more clear as FACTS come out !
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Not sure if the last time I asked this it was disappeared, but I’ll ask again:

What city do you live in?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I know thats what you want to IMPLY, that you have some super secret conclusion that is just going to knock me on my ass, and if you can come up with it, it is going to be GREAT!

Keep me updated.
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So you can't draw a conclusion to the data you provided. Understood.

By the way, nothing so obvious is "super secret".
 
jmotivator said:
So you can't draw a conclusion to the data you provided. Understood.
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The conclusion is that you have no counterpoint to make. I asked you to let me know if you think you have something, and you couldn't even get this part correct.
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By the way, nothing so obvious is "super secret".
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uh-huh, well argued, as usual.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
She doesn't believe "other things" like the total destruction of Portland from fire is going on.
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Why are you guys so daft when it comes to "figurative speaking?"
Gimmesometruth said:
The last time we discussed Portland, you didn't know how much cargo had dropped in your hometown. Why do I still have this feeling you just don't know what you are talking about... again.
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Not something I keep up with.
Gimmesometruth said:
My sister, niece and the family are fine. Besides, it is difficult for fires to stay lit in Portland.
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Most the people I know are fine as well, and stay away from the decrepit downtown area. Ask your sister about the homeless everywhere and the trouble they cause. That is actually the largest problem we face in this area.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The daytime group has been peaceful. Mostly. The bad players have been coming out at night.
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Sending in the NG to Portland to pick up litter and trash is not yet justified. Portland is a long way from it in fact.

It's MAGA Militarists who oppose war abroad but who chomp at the bit for the militarization the Homeland. This testifies that the Generalissimo Trump is not the president of all the people.

MAGAs meanwhile are constantly on the attack and offensive to destroy the urban cities and metro areas that produce 61% of GDP. Yes, the 474 counties Harris won produce 61% of GDP. It's the mass of the country who suck off the government's teat.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Bold of you to assume there will be elections.

If Trump can provoke violence, he will invoke the insurrection act.

If he can't provoke violence, he will simply say that it is happening and invoke the insurrection act.

Then he'll just say they can't have elections at this time and the MAGAs will eat it right up.

He won't get the result he thinks he's going to get, but that's what he's going to do.
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Trump hasn't done it yet.

Maybe Trump is hot air about it.

Kegseth and Noem advised Trump against doing the Insurrection Act in mid April. They sent Trump a Memo against it. Trump shrugged his shoulders and left it on the table.

Trump still hasn't done it despite the OberKommando Miller drooling for it. Trump knows the active duty armed forces are hard as stone against it. Maybe the Generalissimo is reluctant or just plain scared to invoke the Insurrection Act due to the big job that it would be and the reaction against it.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Most the people I know are fine as well, and stay away from the decrepit downtown area. Ask your sister about the homeless everywhere and the trouble they cause. That is actually the largest problem we face in this area.
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Then the people you know are dead boring. Downtown Portland is a hoot.
 
NoMoreDems-Reps said:
The truth that Blue States are harming their citizens to allow crime at the high rates that exist because of DEM Rule!
What Statement ?
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Crime is down in blue states, and I suppose in red states too. What’s your point?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Why are you guys so daft when it comes to "figurative speaking?"
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The use of federal troops for domestic law enforcement is not justified by rhetorical bullshit, you seem to have lost track of the context of what the POTUS is doing.
Lord of Planar said:
Not something I keep up with.
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Apparently the actions of this admin are a little fuzzy too.
Lord of Planar said:
Most the people I know are fine as well, and stay away from the decrepit downtown area. Ask your sister about the homeless everywhere and the trouble they cause. That is actually the largest problem we face in this area.
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Every urban center has that and deploying federal troops in cities to literally rush the bums out doesn't solve the issue, the spending by the WH in this police state display of authoritarian power could have more than funded annual housing for the homeless.

But having police department reject assholes running around grabbing immigrant labor makes for better TV, huh?
 
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