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Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

Grant said:
Here's some of the history. It began in the 30's.

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OMG! Obama was giving things away even before he was born. Who knew.

We probably had one of those primitive "Obamaphones" back in the 1950s. Our little rural community didn't have phone service until around 1955 or so, when we were able to get a party line phone and actually be connected to our neighbors without having to drive or walk a half mile or so to the nearest house.

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
OMG! Obama was giving things away even before he was born. Who knew.

We probably had one of those primitive "Obamaphones" back in the 1950s. Our little rural community didn't have phone service until around 1955 or so, when we were able to get a party line phone and actually be connected to our neighbors without having to drive or walk a half mile or so to the nearest house.

:roll: I swear Ditto, sometimes.....Obama is only the current corrupt tool occupying the office that is doing this, so what? Should we not criticize anything this man does?

Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
:roll: I swear Ditto, sometimes.....Obama is only the current corrupt tool occupying the office that is doing this, so what? Should we not criticize anything this man does?

We should criticize what he does, yes.
We should not pretend that big government started with Obama. That's my point. If the free phones started in the 1930s, why not call them "Hooverphones"?

Just how is the current big government statist administration different from the previous statist big government administration?

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
We should criticize what he does, yes.

Well then, your mocking opening sentence to your post does not make sense, unless you think that just because others did it too, then it is ok? Is that what you think?

We should not pretend that big government started with Obama.

Of course not, the liberal progressive cancer has always been in favor of ever expanding government.

That's my point. If the free phones started in the 1930s, why not call them "Hooverphones"?

The phone service was started because those that were poor didn't have a means to contact emergency services, and if I am not mistaken that is why it was started....So, if we were to continue on that path, then make the phones given out only able to do that. Why do they have to be fully functioning?

Just how is the current big government statist administration different from the previous statist big government administration?

timing, and motive.

Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
Well then, your mocking opening sentence to your post does not make sense, unless you think that just because others did it too, then it is ok? Is that what you think?

Of course not, the liberal progressive cancer has always been in favor of ever expanding government.

The phone service was started because those that were poor didn't have a means to contact emergency services, and if I am not mistaken that is why it was started....So, if we were to continue on that path, then make the phones given out only able to do that. Why do they have to be fully functioning?

timing, and motive.

Timing?
The motive is to get as much power as possible. Has that changed?

No, my theory is that the difference is in one letter: D vs. R.

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
Timing?
The motive is to get as much power as possible. Has that changed?

No, my theory is that the difference is in one letter: D vs. R.

Well, if you are trying to harp on the worn out "not a dimes worth of difference" meme, or the hypocrisy angle you won't get much argument from me. But the only problem I see from independents like yourself Ditto, is that largely you are big on platitudes, and catch phrasing rhetoric. As well as being curmudgeon like disdain for politicians, there is just no there, there.....What is the solution?

We have a country of 310 million people in America. Of that, we also have the lowest participation rate when it comes to voting in elections, and along with that billions spent on a populace that does vote but doesn't bother to educate themselves properly on whom it is they are pulling the lever for, nor do they care much past the 'American Idol' method of selecting the politicians they back...We are ripe to be led, and are going to suffer for it, unless those of us that do pay attention find a way to get through, and I can tell ya, that constantly telling someone how dumb they are, but failing to point out why reasonably, or how to change that, you might as well don a sandwich board and start screaming that the world is ending.....

Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
Well, if you are trying to harp on the worn out "not a dimes worth of difference" meme, or the hypocrisy angle you won't get much argument from me. But the only problem I see from independents like yourself Ditto, is that largely you are big on platitudes, and catch phrasing rhetoric. As well as being curmudgeon like disdain for politicians, there is just no there, there.....What is the solution?

We have a country of 310 million people in America. Of that, we also have the lowest participation rate when it comes to voting in elections, and along with that billions spent on a populace that does vote but doesn't bother to educate themselves properly on whom it is they are pulling the lever for, nor do they care much past the 'American Idol' method of selecting the politicians they back...We are ripe to be led, and are going to suffer for it, unless those of us that do pay attention find a way to get through, and I can tell ya, that constantly telling someone how dumb they are, but failing to point out why reasonably, or how to change that, you might as well don a sandwich board and start screaming that the world is ending.....

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

Yes, it is the uninformed "low information" voter that bases his vote on party loyalty and/or political advertising that is the root of the problem.

Which is why, when I hear about how the president (not king, not dictator, president) is ruining the country because he belongs to the "other party", my BS meter starts ringing and I say, wait a minute, just how is this big government statist any different from the last one with a different letter after his name?

and don't really get much in the way of answers other than silly talking points and partisan nonsense.

Congress has an approval rating somewhere between Al Qaeda and cockroaches, yet we keep electing the same people over and over, then think we're going to have some monumental change by changing the party of the president.

The government is dysfunctional, and yes, you're right, the root of the problem lies with the voters. A government of, by, and for the people can't function when the people have no idea what is going on, don't bother to understand the issues, or even go and vote.

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
We have met the enemy, and he is us.

Yes, it is the uninformed "low information" voter that bases his vote on party loyalty and/or political advertising that is the root of the problem.

Which is why, when I hear about how the president (not king, not dictator, president) is ruining the country because he belongs to the "other party", my BS meter starts ringing and I say, wait a minute, just how is this big government statist any different from the last one with a different letter after his name?

and don't really get much in the way of answers other than silly talking points and partisan nonsense.

Congress has an approval rating somewhere between Al Qaeda and cockroaches, yet we keep electing the same people over and over, then think we're going to have some monumental change by changing the party of the president.

The government is dysfunctional, and yes, you're right, the root of the problem lies with the voters. A government of, by, and for the people can't function when the people have no idea what is going on, don't bother to understand the issues, or even go and vote.

And why is that? Do you think it could be tied to education? I do.

Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
And why is that? Do you think it could be tied to education? I do.

Not really. It has more to do with apathy than education.

It's not so much that voters are incapable of understanding the issues, but that they don't take the time to find out what the facts are.

Of course, education would improve without apathy, too.

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
Not really. It has more to do with apathy than education.

It's not so much that voters are incapable of understanding the issues, but that they don't take the time to find out what the facts are.

Of course, education would improve without apathy, too.

Can you tell me how for example, 8th grade civics, has changed in the past 30 years?

Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
Can you tell me how for example, 8th grade civics, has changed in the past 30 years?

Not much, I suspect. The 8 th. grade is when the Constitution is taught in California. I can remember taking the same class back in 8th. grade, and that was way more than 30 years ago.

Here are some excerpts from the 8th. grade curriculum in California.

8.2 Students analyze the political principles underlying the U.S. Constitution and compare the enumerated and implied powers of the federal government.
1. Discuss the significance of the Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, and the Mayflower Compact.
2. Analyze the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution and the success of each in implementing the ideals of the Declaration of Independence.
3. Evaluate the major debates that occurred during the development of the Constitution and their ultimate resolutions in such areas as shared power among institutions, divided state-federal power, slavery, the rights of individuals and states (later addressed by the addition of the Bill of Rights), and the status of American Indian nations under the commerce clause.
4. Describe the political philosophy underpinning the Constitution as specified in the Federalist Papers (authored by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay) and the role of such leaders as Madison, George Washington, Roger Sherman, Gouverneur Morris, and James Wilson in the writing and ratification of the Constitution.
5. Understand the significance of Jefferson's Statute for Religious Freedom as a forerunner of the First Amendment and the origins, purpose, and differing views of the founding fathers on the issue of the separation of church and state.
6. Enumerate the powers of government set forth in the Constitution and the fundamental liberties ensured by the Bill of Rights.
7. Describe the principles of federalism, dual sovereignty, separation of powers, checks and balances, the nature and purpose of majority rule, and the ways in which the American idea of constitutionalism preserves individual rights.
8.3 Students understand the foundation of the American political system and the ways in which citizens participate in it.
1. Analyze the principles and concepts codified in state constitutions between 1777 and 1781 that created the context out of which American political institutions and ideas developed.

It's a Word file. You have to scroll down and click on #7.

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
Not much, I suspect. The 8 th. grade is when the Constitution is taught in California. I can remember taking the same class back in 8th. grade, and that was way more than 30 years ago.

Here are some excerpts from the 8th. grade curriculum in California.

It's a Word file. You have to scroll down and click on #7.

Thanks for that, there is a lot there to consider. One of the things I would consider is what the teachers interpretation of some of these curriculum objectives are. We have seen instances of teachers bringing in their own political ideologies at this level, so some of the subject matter involved in the learning goals could be problematic. Not saying that they are, just that a close eye would have to be kept.

Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
Thanks for that, there is a lot there to consider. One of the things I would consider is what the teachers interpretation of some of these curriculum objectives are. We have seen instances of teachers bringing in their own political ideologies at this level, so some of the subject matter involved in the learning goals could be problematic. Not saying that they are, just that a close eye would have to be kept.

Since the end of the year test is based on the state standards, and since principals can be fired if test results aren't satisfactory, they are pretty closely watched.

Sometimes a bit too closely, which results in a test centered curriculum.

Boo Radley · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
No, I read them correctly, that's what gives you such a fit.

No, you don't and I've proven that too you before. You're too often too busy arguing some liberal shadow somewhere, and not what I've said.

You have? I have to say, that trying to decipher some of your postings can be painful...Allow me to give an example....

"That's kind of a silly question, but he sent he first business person to be short sighted. He'll, the auto industry has made being short sighted an art form. They've need government help as much or more than any industry I think."

Yes, the iPad gives me some trouble. The the ideas are there and easy enough to see. The auto industry has made an art form out of needing government aid. It is difficult.

Can you proof read before hitting the send button please?

For better or worse, I'm often doing other things when I visit here. I have apologized before for that, but it likely won't change. I seldom have blocks of time when I'm not multitasking.

This is a textbook example of not one but two logical fallacies...One being circular logic, and the other being the false dilemma. When you try to say that 'if A, then B is the only answer, so C is true' that is a fallacy, and sorry, but you lose the argument.

Are you sure you know your fallacies. Circular reasoning means I'm merely repeating the claim. I'm not doing that. And no, I'm not making a causal relationship error either. I'm merely trying to get you to see the flaw in your argument. You can't argue for less government and than blame government for the results.

No. No one is saying that government is the answer. What we are saying is that Obama, and progressives are doing things designed to make people more dependent on government. Such as food stamps. In reality we are saying the exact opposite, that government screws it up when they try to place themselves as the answer to all problems. So, it is either a bit of classic projection for you to arrogantly say that we believe something, or such a failure in misreading the thoughts of another, that it takes on signs of epic fail in its assumption. :coffeepap

You should then use better evidence, as if Obama is responsible for the economy, the only thing he can do is hire people, which would mean more government. Your approach is too simplistic. You ignore the economy, the effects of long term unemployment and make a leap about dependency that really isn't supported. A lot of things. People think in their guts are just plain wrong, and you need much more than what you're presenting.

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Boo Radley said:
No, you don't and I've proven that too you before. You're too often too busy arguing some liberal shadow somewhere, and not what I've said.

Yes, the iPad gives me some trouble. The the ideas are there and easy enough to see. The auto industry has made an art form out of needing government aid. It is difficult.

For better or worse, I'm often doing other things when I visit here. I have apologized before for that, but it likely won't change. I seldom have blocks of time when I'm not multitasking.

Are you sure you know your fallacies. Circular reasoning means I'm merely repeating the claim. I'm not doing that. And no, I'm not making a causal relationship error either. I'm merely trying to get you to see the flaw in your argument. You can't argue for less government and than blame government for the results.

You should then use better evidence, as if Obama is responsible for the economy, the only thing he can do is hire people, which would mean more government. Your approach is too simplistic. You ignore the economy, the effects of long term unemployment and make a leap about dependency that really isn't supported. A lot of things. People think in their guts are just plain wrong, and you need much more than what you're presenting.

Well, you can ignore all you like, hell, stick your fingers in your ears and holler la,la,la,la....all day long for all I care. But, I hope that you libs go for it full bore. Push like there is NO tomorrow, because once you get done destroying our beautiful country, I have the feeling that progressives like you will lose so badly that it'll be another 100 years before you get out from under the rock again.

j-mac · Apr 12, 2013

Oh and Joe, before you start in with your 'nuh uh' nonsense, and twisting like a pretzel defending this mess of Obama's consider this....

WASHINGTON - President Obama heads into the third month of his second term, still unable to find a cure for a sluggish economy, weak employment numbers and his own slipping job approval scores.

Second terms are usually challenging for presidents who have won reelection without having the slightest idea what they would do over the next four years. And that's what we are witnessing now with Obama whose biggest problem is the lackluster, anemic, sub-par, job-challenged economy.

The Gallup Poll this week reports that his job approval rating is an underwhelming 47 percent versus a muscular 48 percent who disapprove of his performance, and that the nation's economic confidence index slipped further in March to minus-16, "its lowest level since December."

The depressing headlines of the past few days tell a sad and despair-filled tale of what the economy is like under his presidency:

-- "Weekly Jobless Claims Get Weaker as Outlook Dims" was the gloomy headline over a Reuters news wire story Thursday morning on the CNBC web site.

"The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits rose to its highest level in four months last week, suggesting the labor market recovery lost some steam in March," Reuters reported.

-- "Hiring is weaker at private companies," a Washington Post headline blared Thursday.

"Companies hired at the weakest pace in five months in March as recent strong demand for construction jobs evaporated and growth in the vast services sector slowed, signs that the economic recovery could be hitting a soft patch," the newspaper reported.

That's the conclusion of the ADP National Employment Report Wednesday which showed "that private employers added 158,000 jobs last month." The ADP job survey said "The gain was the smallest since October."

A separate report Wednesday on the services industry, the economy's largest job sector, showed that employment growth "pulled back in March."

You do not hear any of these reports on the nightly TV network news programs because they cherry-pick reports that feed the White House line of a continuing economic recovery.

Obama's Economy has Become a Synonym for Failure and Despair - Donald Lambro - [page]

The WH is feeding America ****, and tell them it is chocolate ice cream....It isn't.

Grant · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
Not really. It has more to do with apathy than education.

It's not so much that voters are incapable of understanding the issues, but that they don't take the time to find out what the facts are.

Of course, education would improve without apathy, too.

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Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

Grant said:
It may have something to do with education, or its lack. Investigation into APS cheating finds unethical behavior across e | www.ajc.com

Well, maybe in Atlanta.

Perotista · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
Not really. It has more to do with apathy than education.

It's not so much that voters are incapable of understanding the issues, but that they don't take the time to find out what the facts are.

Of course, education would improve without apathy, too.

The information is out there if the voter wants to seek and learn. The fact is most do not. They will decide whom to vote for via a sound bite, a slogan, a political party they usually vote for, most voters are like mind numbed robots. They have their ingrained circuits which they follow. I would wager a lot fewer than 10% of the electorate actually take the time to find our where the candidates stand on the issues or which candidate views and promises would better suit them.

Dittohead not! · Apr 12, 2013

Perotista said:
The information is out there if the voter wants to seek and learn. The fact is most do not. They will decide whom to vote for via a sound bite, a slogan, a political party they usually vote for, most voters are like mind numbed robots. They have their ingrained circuits which they follow. I would wager a lot fewer than 10% of the electorate actually take the time to find our where the candidates stand on the issues or which candidate views and promises would better suit them.

That's the root of the problem, isn't it?

Boo Radley · Apr 12, 2013

j-mac said:
Well, you can ignore all you like, hell, stick your fingers in your ears and holler la,la,la,la....all day long for all I care. But, I hope that you libs go for it full bore. Push like there is NO tomorrow, because once you get done destroying our beautiful country, I have the feeling that progressives like you will lose so badly that it'll be another 100 years before you get out from under the rock again.

There you go arguing with libs again. I've link information on hw the president doesn't control the economy.ive talked about his other factors, factors you curly know about (the unemployment) playing a bigger role. And this is your bet response? :shrug:

Perotista · Apr 12, 2013

Dittohead not! said:
That's the root of the problem, isn't it?

And that is how the two major political parties like it.

Binky · Apr 13, 2013

It's been appearing over the last 20 years that the fight for more control is building up towards a huge collaspe. Sooner or later, a brick is going to fall and down will come our way of life as we've enjoyed.

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