Our nose diving economy is directly tied to the philosophies of the American public. Those philosophies have been manipulated by a bunch of politicians and people are dumb enough to fall for it. And pretty much everything that is being done is being done to benefit the rich and powerful in our country. Before we can realistically blame the president, we have to look at ourselves. Now dont get me wrong, Obama and many of his policies are idiotic. But he can only do what the public allows him to do.
That's why it has been said that people get the government they deserve. While that's not necessarily true in dictatorships, the American electorate must certainly accept responsibility for this ballsup. They should have known what they were getting when they re-elected him. There was no excuse for that.
I agree with you mostly, however, "him" is not the only problem. Far from it. Also our voting habits are not the only issue. People's actions are just as, if not more, detrimental to our economy as the actions of our politicians.
the insults dont really add much to your posts. I know you are persistent and want to really really really do it a lot to be sure, but 14 thousands posts later, and it still hasn't done anything should be pretty clear.
As for the solution to fix our economy? It is very simple.
People (the american public) need to make better decisions.
Stop sitting around demanding that someone else fix it.
Make changes in your life to help the US economy, or quit crying about it.
People running around crying that they economy isnt getting better while not only not doing anything themselves but actively hurting it is just retarded.
The solution isnt going to start at the top.
Hmmm...Really don't know what in the hell you are talking about here...
Such as?
elaborate please.
Again, such as?
You make no sense here. more detail.
Nice....Here's a few more
"One for all, and all for one"
"When the going gets tough, the tough get going"
"There's no I in team"
"Today is the beginning of the rest of your life"
Now, I'll try one more time....Do you have anything other than empty platitude?
Your failure to comprehend is not my failure. I was not responsible for your education.
As I suspected, you have nothing in original thought, but to string together a bunch of catch phrase, emptiness and call it intellectualism....Fail.
I am full of original thought. Coming from someone who spews what the Republican party tells him to it doesn't mean much when you talk about catch phrases. Our economy is ****ty because of the general american public. You can call that whatever you'd like, doesnt make it any less false. But your rebuttal of "fail" probably makes you proud of yourself. Get yourself a candybar.
This is interesting. Perhaps you could spell out a few of those factors for us.
Because I can give you some very specific reasons for our nose diving economy and their direct relationship to this President and his ideology.
But since you claim there are other factors, lets here them.
The economy, which is separate from the president or congress. Out sourcing. The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees. I usually try to stop at three.
So give some specifics! So far all you have done is attack me for asking you to elaborate....I see nothing original in that. Sorry if the truth hurts.
Of the three you gave...
1. "Outsourcing" - Probably more a function of a global economy than anything else. If the US isn't going to be competitive in tax rates, and demonize success, I'd leave too.
2. "The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees." - Obamacare is pushing this....
Do I believe that Obama policies are the ONLY factors? No.
Do I believe that Obama policies are NOT helping? Yes.
No, outsourcing is driven by consumer demand far more than political policy.
I certainly don't agree with Obamacare, but Obamacare doesn't push hiring part time employees. Businesses have simply found that loophole and they choose to exploit it.
The “Affordable Care Act” requires “large” employers – those with 50 or more full-time-equivalent employees – to either provide “qualified” health coverage for all of their full-time employees, or pay an annual penalty of $2,000 per full-time employee (after the first 30) if they don’t provide such coverage. If they do provide coverage but it’s not “affordable,” the penalty is $3,000 per employee who finds it “unaffordable” (with a cap at the penalty they’d pay for not offering coverage at all).
“Full-time” is defined as 30 hours or more per week, or 120 hours or more per month. (“Affordable” is defined as less than 9.5% of the employee’s family income.)
The penalty is assessed on a monthly basis. In other words, if an employee works 121 hours in a given calendar month, that 121st hour costs the employer $166.67 (one-twelfth of $2,000), in addition to the employee’s pay for that hour and the payroll tax on that amount. That’s a hefty charge, and it’s much more than the hourly rate typical for part-time employment in most industries.
If the employer decided to let the employees work more than 30 hours (and pay the penalty), the money to pay the penalty would have to come from somewhere. It could come from reduced profits, higher prices – or lower pay for workers. Many business run at very slim profit margins, so it’s unlikely that they could take the entire hit to their profit and stay in business. Business‘ ability to raise prices is limited by customers’ willingness to pay. Chances are, employees would have to absorb some of the penalty – perhaps most of it – in the form of lower wages.
Why Obamacare Incentivizes Part-Time Jobs - Forbes
That claim I might accept, but how much government needs to help depends on how much you think government is the answer. Government may influence, but doesn't control. Government could, and has quite frankly, do the exact opposite of what either of us think it should, and flourish. Conversely, either one of us could get all we want, as has also happened, and the economy could flounder. Putting too much blame for things thy don't control opens the door for them to take credit when they don't deserve it.
Btw, I made the exact same argument concerning Bush and the economy. He didn't help either, but he wasn't the cause. Neither is Obama.
Of the three you gave...
1. "Outsourcing" - Probably more a function of a global economy than anything else. If the US isn't going to be competitive in tax rates, and demonize success, I'd leave too.
2. "The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees." - Obamacare is pushing this....
3. "...." - What was the third?
Disagree. Probably worthy of its own thread though.
No, not true...
Policy does have an effect on business, thus job creation. Do you believe it is helpful when Obama looks to rile his base with class warfare talk, and goes after business as somehow ignoble because they make a profit?
1. You could not tax business at all, and them would still be leaving. Taxes play a small role (they skirt them anyway). More the reason they out source is low wages and no health care. I have a hard time believing that us working for hose low wages is really something we want. And neither side of the political isle is really willing to tackle healthcare. But, the taxes excuse is mostly just that, an excuse politicians hope you buy.
2. As it started long before Obama, that's a hard claim to take seriously. Again, I think business will use this excuse to continue what they've been doing. But no on saying attention to the last few decades accept that.
Btw, here in my field, it's leading to more fulltme employment. Damned Obama!
3. The e moony itself. It functions outside of government. The only way government can control employment is to hire people. I'm reasonably sure you don't want that.
:lamo Yes :lamo
Oh come on. Look there is a point in passing along costs to consumers reaches pricing yourself out of the market. At that point they have to look at lowering other overhead. If I make widgets here in the US, and it costs me $Again, I'm not asking you to. I'm asking you to reason. To think critically. And to even synthesize information. Nothing needs to be made up. to make, and my overhead is 96% here, but in Mexico the overhead is 92%, and I have shareholders to answer to, why wouldn't I go where it is 92%? I have a responsibility to do so. Let alone the regulatory hurdles in this country.
Does one go into business to make money? Or for some altruistic reason? Liberals seem to think that business should somehow do it for fun or something...
Well rudy poo for you! :roll: Education is expanding, and it is a crime what your sector has done in terms of cost to the consumer, vs the product you put out.
No, I would like less bureaucratic expansion please. Sadly though that seems to be Obama's jobs plan.
Only, taxes don't one close to reaching that point. Lower wages, no healthcare are much larger issues. Btw, how many widest can the Mexican citizen buy? Sure, no taxes, cheaper labor, no health care. I'm ready to trade places right now. You?
No one suggests they don't want make money. No one suggests they shouldn't. But too much leverage in favor of them hurts working people. Again, they make more money in Mexico. Want to live there?
J, you show you completely mss the point. Your contempt fir educators aside, the point is we've been as subject to the art time movement as any one. There are schools where 90% of a department is made up of adjuncts. But this bill makes that difficult and more costly for the college to go so large with part time. This is not a bad thing.
Please point to that plan.
The
economy, which is separate from the president or congress. Out sourcing. The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees. I usually try to stop at three.
It's not about manufacturing for the people that the country that the factory moves to. Tell me, when the GM Flint plant locked its doors, and moved to Mexico, did they do that to produce cars for Mexico? Or was it to build for Mexican citizens? Or was it to lower stifling overhead, and as libs told us at the time, to help keep the company afloat and deal robotization, and more payroll demand from the IAW?
That's kind of a silly question, but he sent he first business person to be short sighted. He'll, the auto industry has made being short sighted an art form. They've need government help as much or more than any industry I think.
But you don't really address my point with your comment. What has them is not taxes as much as it is low wages, and healthcare cost.
Never said I did, that's your strawman argument. But, you seem to be saying that unending wage demands, and benefit increases should be sustained indefinitely for the privilege of going into business in this country. People put everything they have into a business, and making it successful, and you liberals come along and think that because that business becomes successful, that it owes you something, that you have a say when you took no risk. You don't.
You do realize I didn't say you did. And no that is not what I'm saying. I am, however, saying you can't appease many businesses enough to keep them here. So, throwing every break to them simply won't keep them. I wanted us to stop acting like we have low self esteem and have to keep begging them to stay. Recognize the real issues, low wages and healthcare, and seek real solutions and stop being earlier manipulated by those who throw out the t-word in order to a trained response.
I don't want to live in Mexico, but I can tell ya, if I owned that successful widget company, and could produce them easier in Mexico, make more for my share holders, and continue to grow, its a no brainer.
Sure you would. But as a worker, you at least know what that means for you. Let the poor times roll. My conservative friend here calls this the mexicanization of America. That's why I mention that country. That is likely where we're heading. And tax cuts won't stop it.
I don't have contempt for educators, just those that think that their mission is to indoctrinate their students.
The sad thing is, your more indoctrinated than they are. You can even see that the country is more conservative here than liberal. You seem to fear exchange of ideas. And frankly, there is an anti science element to some conservative elements. So, you do hold contempt for teachers.
Indeed, what is Obama's plan? All I hear is how his plan is to create jobs, and move America forward, and nothing happens but rhetoric, and division. America is stuck in a self imposed morass that progressive libs either blame Bush for, or try and say it is the "new norm".... Well, if that is the best Euro socialism holds for us is high prices, high taxation, and constant bickering and demonization when they don't get their way, forget it, I'd rather have Bush any day over that crap.
You took the non specific rhetoric from republicans rather easily as I recall. However, instead of answering me, you threw out wild eyed partisan nonsense. Not one thing you you ramble on about has anything to do with anything I've asked or said.
Lol....I would have stopped at one if I were you, rather than expose to the forum your blind allegiance or your economic ignorance.
And no, THIS economy is directly tied to the leftist rhetoric of your President and poorly concieved health care law passed by the Democrats.
Honestly, your party is concentrating on gun legiation and immigration.
And after the last jobs report. F***ing useless Democrats.
Why exactly do you think Companies are cutting back their employees hours ?
And outsourcing and automation is nothing new.
There is a mass hypnotic event going on in our Country. Its either that or you folks are purposely being obtuse, just buying time.
You are quite mistaken. It started before
he did anything, and if it began too boom tomorrow, it still wouldn't be his doing. It is the same fir all presidents.
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