Irony hits when you least expect it.Quit trying to derail productive discussion, or leave.
how do we know it is the truth then, if they admitted to editing tapes, so I can never fully trust these tapes in question. Why not give the media the whole tape instead of what the IDF wants us too see as the full truth. Are the scared that it will damage their case of self defense
Spare me the drama that you lack in your life.
The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-Semites. I am beginning to wonder if the Israeli military hired James O'Keefe to handle its press shop.
This is the IDF's "clarification:"
Yesterday evening on 4 June 2010, the IDF released an audio recording of a radio transmission between the Israeli Navy vessel and the Flotilla ships wherein unidentified flotilla passengers tell the Israeli Navy vessel to "shut up, go back to Auschwitz" and "we're helping Arabs go against the US, don't forget 9/11." There have been questions regarding the authenticity of the recording as well as its attribution to a communication with the Mavi Marmara.
So to clarify: the audio was edited down to cut out periods of silence over the radio as well as incomprehensible comments so as to make it easier for people to listen to the exchange. We have now uploaded the entire segment of 5 minutes and 58 seconds in which the exchange took place and the comments were made.
This transmission had originally cited the Mavi Marmara ship as being the source of these remarks, however, due to an open channel, the specific ship or ships in the "Freedom Flotilla" responding to the Israeli Navy could not be identified. During radio transmissions between Israeli Navy and the ships of the "Free Gaza" Flotilla on 31 May 2010, the Israeli Navy ship attempts to make contact with the 'Defne Y' on channel 1-6. Other ships from the flotilla respond on the channel, without identifying themselves. At some point during the radio exchange the Israeli Navy is told by one of the ships to "shut up, go back to Auschwitz" (2:05) and "don't forget 9-11? (5:42).
It's nice that the IDF has "clarified" its doctoring of footage. But the new clip it has released that supposedly shows "the entire segment...in which the exchange took place and the comments were made" is highly suspect as well. Why? Because it contains an exchange with Huwaida Arraf that Arraf claims took place on an entirely different attempt to break the siege - Arraf has led previous aid boats to Gaza that were intercepted and hijacked by the IDF. Arraf told Ma'an News:
I find it hard to believe that you are so unobservant as to not have noticed the bigotry rampant across the site, and even to be found in threads in which you have posted.
I was referring to the bigotry towards Israel. Doubting the IDF Tape, and then using a site like the above listed as a credible resource to question the IDF.
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So I am a biogt, because I doubt the IDF tapes as the full truth of the events? That is the most riddouls statments ever, since I am for the truth thoes soruces you posted
With this story one of the Commandos have said
gulfnews : Israelis subdued captain by pointing gun at a child Plus the fact the captain says they aimed a gun at at his 1 year old child. I also agree with 1069 that it called having a brain in doubting the IDF tapes, and it is not bigotry towards Israels. So I can't criztices Iseral with out being a bigto which is a riddouls statment already.
I disagree that "doubting the IDF tape" is "bigotry toward Israel".
I'll wait for confirmation from an independent, unbiased source.
It's called having a brain.
Thank you.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove?
lol so you believe the captain of the Mavi Marmara who brought his 1 year old child on board as a human shield which was owned and crewed by the Turkish Jihadist organization the IHH? Ya there's a real credible source. Do they have audio or video evidence of that encounter?
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove?
lol so you believe the captain of the Mavi Marmara who brought his 1 year old child on board as a human shield which was owned and crewed by the Turkish Jihadist organization the IHH? Ya there's a real credible source. Do they have audio or video evidence of that encounter?
So you think this is a Turkish Jihadist organization, because they were bring a humanitarian aid ship more PR propaganda.
IHH, which plays a central role in organizing the flotilla to the Gaza Strip, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. Besides its legitimate philanthropic activities, it supports radical Islamic networks, including Hamas, and at least in the past, even global jihad elements.
IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.
However I do want the full tapes released, so I could draw my own collusion of the tapes in question. If the Israeli fired first that brakes their self defense claims, and you think he would use his own daughter as a human shield just because he is from Turkey. The thing is they keep pooping out one allegation after another which the retracted a day latter is the reason I doubt the Israeli accounts of event.
Israel = guilty until proven guilty, gotcha.
Yes, that's why you thanked Ryr's posted link to an aggressively anti-Israeli hate site. If that's what you consider usage of your brain....I disagree that "doubting the IDF tape" is "bigotry toward Israel".
I'll wait for confirmation from an independent, unbiased source.
It's called having a brain.
Thank you.
The activists responded to the use of deadly force.
In a terrible situation like this, further investigation is warranted!
I would not simply take the word of anyone involved, no matter what country they were from!
Do the Israelis fart perfume and **** snickerdoodles? They're people.
Just ordinary people, just like in any other country.
And yes, no matter which nation was involved in an incident like this, it would warrant independent investigation.
We don't simply take their word, just because they're the apparently-irreproachable Iraelis, for cripe sake.
Is everybody nuts?
In a terrible situation like this, further investigation is warranted!
But you WILL take the word of an anti-Israeli hate site.I would not simply take the word of anyone involved, no matter what country they were from!
Do the Israelis fart perfume and **** snickerdoodles? They're people.
Just ordinary people, just like in any other country.
And yes, no matter which nation was involved in an incident like this, it would warrant independent investigation.
We don't simply take their word, just because they're the apparently-irreproachable Iraelis, for cripe sake.
Is everybody nuts?
They aren't asking you to accept their word, the "activists" on the jihadist flotilla are the ones asking you to accept them at their word, the Israelis are providing EVIDENCE.
Except they already admitted to tampering with the evidence. Apparently credibility is a not an issue for you.
They edited it down, and also released the RAW AUDIO.
So, that's not "Tampering" with evidence. You should look up the word, and while you are at it, look up "context" and "logic".
Except they already admitted to tampering with the evidence. Apparently credibility is a not an issue for you.
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