Well, yeah, I understand it was a handicap parking spot and he had a HC pass. The guy strutting out of the convenience store and pushing the guy down was definitely not the right move. However, in the clip I don't see him making any further threatening gestures and there's no sound. IMHO this is probably not a good example of stand your ground, pending any addition facts.This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend
Well, yeah, I understand it was a handicap parking spot and he had a HC pass. The guy strutting out of the convenience store and pushing the guy down was definitely not the right move. However, in the clip I don't see him making any further threatening gestures and there's no sound. IMHO this is probably not a good example of stand your ground, pending any addition facts.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html
"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur
This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html
"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur
This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/batteryA physical act that results in harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent.
Source?The shooter has a history of picking fights.
Yeah, she starts getting out of the car as her BF arrives. Still think his first action shouldn't have been a violent push. He looks like he's a foot taller. But I don't see any further threatening action that would have justified the shooting.liveonramen said:The shooter was actually yelling at a woman in the car. Someone came and told the cashier some guy was harassing a woman im a car. It was the girlfriend of the man killed.
The shooter has a history of picking fights.
The shooter was actually yelling at a woman in the car. Someone came and told the cashier some guy was harassing a woman im a car. It was the girlfriend of the man killed. He was in the store buying candy for his kid. He went outside, pushed the guy yelling at his girl, gets shot.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html
"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur
This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend
Typical spin. :spin:
Since when does a verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?
A person who was not handicapped parked in a handicapped spot. The "confrontation" was a non-violent discussion. The woman was getting out of the car when her "guy" walked up and without any warning or attempt to discuss anything violently shoved the man "harassing" his girlfriend so hard he flew back and fell to the ground. That is Battery:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/battery
Ever thought that if instead of immediately attacking the gentleman, your "victim" might have been better served discussing the issue to find out what the problem was? Perhaps apologize for using a handicap spot and offering to simply move the car?
You justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl" defense?
Violence was initiated, the victim may have feared for his life after having been attacked by a third party he was not aware of until the attack. We don't know what the woman was saying when she got out of the car, what threats may have proceeded or immediately followed the attack.
I think I could make a good defense argument for this case. We'll see what the Prosecutor decides (based on public outrage of course). :coffeepap:
Source?
Yeah, she starts getting out of the car as her BF arrives. Still think his first action shouldn't have been a violent push. He looks like he's a foot taller. But I don't see any further threatening action that would have justified the shooting.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/florida-stand-your-ground-fatal-shooting/index.html
"Sheriff Gualtieri said the only relevant issue is whether Drejka was in fear of further bodily harm from McGlockton." Of which there was no indication that it would occur
This is insane. An argument over a parking space costs a man his life. The guy who shot him started a confrontation (and when he was thrown to the ground (and no more) he shot the guy who stopped him from harassing his girlfriend
Gunman confronted another man weeks before fatal shooting
The guy has a history of this and also a history of escalating the argument...
Sweet Irony!!!Typical spin. :spin:
Since when does a verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?
A person who was not handicapped parked in a handicapped spot. The "confrontation" was a non-violent discussion. The woman was getting out of the car when her "guy" walked up and without any warning or attempt to discuss anything violently shoved the man "harassing" his girlfriend so hard he flew back and fell to the ground. That is Battery:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/battery
Ever thought that if instead of immediately attacking the gentleman, your "victim" might have been better served discussing the issue to find out what the problem was? Perhaps apologize for using a handicap spot and offering to simply move the car?
You justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl" defense?
Violence was initiated, the victim may have feared for his life after having been attacked by a third party he was not aware of until the attack. We don't know what the woman was saying when she got out of the car, what threats may have proceeded or immediately followed the attack.
I think I could make a good defense argument for this case. We'll see what the Prosecutor decides (based on public outrage of course). :coffeepap:
Typical spin. :spin:
Since when does a verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?
A person who was not handicapped parked in a handicapped spot. The "confrontation" was a non-violent discussion. The woman was getting out of the car when her "guy" walked up and without any warning or attempt to discuss anything violently shoved the man "harassing" his girlfriend so hard he flew back and fell to the ground. That is Battery:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/battery
Ever thought that if instead of immediately attacking the gentleman, your "victim" might have been better served discussing the issue to find out what the problem was? Perhaps apologize for using a handicap spot and offering to simply move the car?
You justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl" defense?
Violence was initiated, the victim may have feared for his life after having been attacked by a third party he was not aware of until the attack. We don't know what the woman was saying when she got out of the car, what threats may have proceeded or immediately followed the attack.
I think I could make a good defense argument for this case. We'll see what the Prosecutor decides (based on public outrage of course). :coffeepap:
Sweet Irony!!!
talk about spin
where in the OP did it say:
" verbal confrontation justify a physical attack?"
"justification for the battery is "he was harassing the guy's girl"
oh thats right it didnt you made all that up for SPIN:lamo
What the OP was stating they dont think the shooting/killing is justified and many agree with that. I have yet to see anybody say the spin you made up in this thread . . .might wanna dial back that dishonesty, hypocrisy strawmen in your post lol
The guy stepped back after pushing the shooter..even the Sheriff says the guy stepped back. The Sheriff says the guy stepping back gave him “pause” in making the decision but he has to follow the law.The shooter was on the ground after a fight and after he had his opponent on the ground, rather than leave, appeared as if he was going in for the kill, or at least to do more damage to the person on the ground who shot him.
Sounds 100% legit to me. Why allow yourself to get stomped to death.
The shooter was on the ground after a fight and after he had his opponent on the ground, rather than leave, appeared as if he was going in for the kill, or at least to do more damage to the person on the ground who shot him.
Sounds 100% legit to me. Why allow yourself to get stomped to death.
Umm...are you serious?
Both comments you quoted were MY take on what he posted. I was not quoting anyone.
Thanks. IMHO Confronting people illegally using handicap spaces is a good thing, I worked with a wheelchair user and he would park his chair behind illegal users and call the cops.Gunman confronted another man weeks before fatal shooting
The guy has a history of this and also a history of escalating the argument. The woman in the van (significant other of guy shot) said she was shocked at how fast things escalated.
I agree... was the girlfriend saying that her boyfriend would come out and beat the **** out of this guy yelling? Then the guy comes out and assaults him out of the blue... the guy fears further beating and draws his gun... we don't see what happens next. It appears the victim (the one shot) is standing about but perhaps he took a step towards him?
I am not saying it is right but once that guy attacked the yeller he escalated things...
That said this does not look like stand your ground, which I generally find bull**** anyway...
I agree... was the girlfriend saying that her boyfriend would come out and beat the **** out of this guy yelling? Then the guy comes out and assaults him out of the blue... the guy fears further beating and draws his gun... we don't see what happens next. It appears the victim (the one shot) is standing about but perhaps he took a step towards him?
I am not saying it is right but once that guy attacked the yeller he escalated things...
That said this does not look like stand your ground, which I generally find bull**** anyway...
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