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Florida man, 79, says slavery “wasn’t that bad”

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Does he think every museum has a sign that says "slavery is bad mmmkay"? Trump is losing has touch to distract people with cultural war issues.
 
Blame Christopher Columbus, had he not made his voyage slavery would never have begun.
 
BabaVoss said:
Florida man, 79, says slavery “wasn’t that bad”, and that museums should only show things he likes.

Sounds like maybe someone’s old uncle escaped the retirement home again. Anybody missing one?

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He didn't say that, and there's a plausible alternative understanding of his comment, namely that there's simply too much focus on the horrors of slavery and how bad it was.

Dishonestly quoting him as saying slavery wasn't that bad just provides easy, low-hanging fruit for his supporters to claim TDS and cry victimhood.
 
Pyrite said:
Sure, slavery wasn't that bad! Seems to me I heard something about slaves' learning valuable skills....
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Well, exactly. I mean you never know, hand-picking cotton in the sun until you faint and breeding children to be sold might have come back into style at any time. They'd have been fully prepared.

Crazy, disconnected, senile 79-year-old Florida man was right! I wonder why those slaves weren't thanking their masters.
 
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Mithrae said:
He didn't say that, and there's a plausible alternative understanding of his comment, namely that there's simply too much focus on the horrors of slavery and how bad it was.
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There was nothing good about slavery - it was all terrible, so you either talk about the horrors or don't talk about it at all.
 
Well, if we are going to insist that the Smithsonian not expend so much time and energy on how horrible was and to focus more on how far we've come since then...why stop with slavery?

Dear Leader Trump of the MAGA Socialist Party should force the Smithsonian to NOT focus so much time and energy on how horrible the Nazis treated the Jews: camps, torture, rape, genocide... They should focus more on how far Germany has come since then.

(regretfully, there are some of you who don't know what sarcasm is and need to have it pointed out, so allow me to explain that I'm being sarcastic here to those who need it pointed out to them)
 
Aristaeus said:
There was nothing good about slavery - it was all terrible, so you either talk about the horrors or don't talk about it at all.
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In the long term I imagine Trump would like it not to be talked about at all. But the fact remains he didn't say it wasn't bad. In all likelihood, as @uptower highlighted, he'd be very pleased to see that his distraction has met with some success: He'd much prefer for his supporters to be defending him by picking at the low-hanging fruit of liberals' dishonest misquotes about slavery, than for them to keep wondering about that child sex abuse ring Trump had connections to and is defending. Connections to and credible suspicions of child sex abuse are one of the very few things that could erode a few percentage points of support among even his core supporters, to the point of not getting out to vote at least, so unless it's something really important - and "Trump said bad thing" is not news at this point even when it's true - most of the other stuff he does and particularly says right now is just a distraction.


uptower said:
The most interesting thing about Trump’s attacks on the Smithsonian is he’s still in the Epstein Files.
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Mithrae said:
He didn't say that, and there's a plausible alternative understanding of his comment, namely that there's simply too much focus on the horrors of slavery and how bad it was.
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Your "plausible alternative understanding" is not better than the misquote or what he actually said. He wants to whitewash history.
Mithrae said:
Dishonestly quoting him as saying slavery wasn't that bad just provides easy, low-hanging fruit for his supporters to claim TDS and cry victimhood.
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Yes, the sentiment in the title should not be in quotes but is a "plausible alternative understanding".
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Your link doesn't contain the quote you've attributed to Florida Man.

Why lie?
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Semantics. "Too much focus on how bad slavery was" doesn't make Trump's emphasis any better than the admittedly clickbait title.
SO, parse words any way you want to, I still don't see how there could ever be "too much focus on how bad slavery was" any more than there could ever be too much focus on the atrocities of the Holocaust.
Trump once again displayed his racism and you once again displayed your auto-defense of Trump.
 
Mithrae said:
Dishonestly quoting him as saying slavery wasn't that bad just provides easy, low-hanging fruit for his supporters to claim TDS and cry victimhood.
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Agreed that the disingenuous title would indeed entice his supporters to claim TDS, but then again, ANY criticism of Trump, and I mean ANY, gets that lot to display TDS as well.............

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Mithrae said:
In the long term I imagine Trump would like it not to be talked about at all. But the fact remains he didn't say it wasn't bad. In all likelihood, as @uptower highlighted, he'd be very pleased to see that his distraction has met with some success: He'd much prefer for his supporters to be defending him by picking at the low-hanging fruit of liberals' dishonest misquotes about slavery, than for them to keep wondering about that child sex abuse ring Trump had connections to and is defending. Connections to and credible suspicions of child sex abuse are one of the very few things that could erode a few percentage points of support among even his core supporters, to the point of not getting out to vote at least, so unless it's something really important - and "Trump said bad thing" is not news at this point even when it's true - most of the other stuff he does and particularly says right now is just a distraction.
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Speaking of liberal dishonest misquotes, has anyone actually accused Trump of child sex abuse? I hear people calling Trump a paedophile, but what is that accusation based on (even if we ignore the actual definition of being primarily attracted to prepubescent children and use the word incorrectly to mean sex with a minor)?
 
Americans who are 79yo were born 21 years before Interracial Marriage became legal nationwide in the US.
 
Mithrae said:
He didn't say that, and there's a plausible alternative understanding of his comment, namely that there's simply too much focus on the horrors of slavery and how bad it was.

Dishonestly quoting him as saying slavery wasn't that bad just provides easy, low-hanging fruit for his supporters to claim TDS and cry victimhood.
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Tell me about it. There's also a group or people who feel that there's simply too much focus on how bad the holocaust was.
Like stop talking about it, get over it geeze..
 
Since some here are pretending to not get the joke, here’s an actual quote from the Mad Orange King;

"The Smithsonian is OUT OF CONTROL, where everything discussed is how horrible our Country is, how bad Slavery was, and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been -- Nothing about Success, nothing about Brightness, nothing about the Future."

"We are not going to allow this to happen, and I have instructed my attorneys to go through the Museums, and start the exact same process that has been done with Colleges and Universities where tremendous progress has been made,"

abcnews.go.com

Trump says Smithsonian should focus on America’s 'Brightness,' not 'how bad Slavery was'

President Trump confirmed the White House is doing a review Smithsonian museums, where he complained "everything discussed is how horrible our Country is."
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

It’s obviously a bunch of lies to anyone who has ever visited the museum. Not really any better, is it. Imagine the outcry had Biden if Obama did such a thing,

My point in making fun of this should be clear and has several facets;
WTF is the president doing by trying to control what museums display?
NOT HIS JOB,
We have serious problems that should be addressed by our political leadership. Healthcare, social securiy, poverty, education.
HE IS NOT DOING SO.

This angry old man wants to dictate everything so that the world conforms to his twisted vision of the US from the 1950s.
He wants that while he is shoveling taxpayer dollars into his pockets.

This is what happens when you elect a greedy, arrorgant and ignorant moron who has no morals or integrity.

For the record, we talk about how bad slavery was BECAUSE SLAVERY WAS BAD, REALLY, REALLY BAD.

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Mithrae said:
He didn't say that, and there's a plausible alternative understanding of his comment, namely that there's simply too much focus on the horrors of slavery and how bad it was.
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That's up to the museum.

But everyone knows what trump was saying.


Mithrae said:
Dishonestly quoting him as saying slavery wasn't that bad just provides easy, low-hanging fruit for his supporters to claim TDS and cry victimhood.
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They will do that anyway.
 
I can't believe that over a decade later we are still debating the notion that Donald Trump is terrified of black people and thinks the slavery issue was overblown.
 
Aristaeus said:
Speaking of liberal dishonest misquotes, has anyone actually accused Trump of child sex abuse? I hear people calling Trump a paedophile, but what is that accusation based on (even if we ignore the actual definition of being primarily attracted to prepubescent children and use the word incorrectly to mean sex with a minor)?
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Doubt and uncertainty have long been a hobby-horse of mine in terms of religious/theistic discussions, and now more than ever I've been meaning to at some point make a thread "What about when we're ~80% sure that someone is a child molester?"

Given that the Epstein files were also in the hands of the Biden administration, I can only assume that the evidence available even to the government - with a deceased Jeffery Epstein and a Ghislaine Maxwell possibly scared for her life and/or possibly awaiting clemency from a Trump administration - falls short of the rather high "beyond reasonable (or any possible) doubt" standard required to convict a billionaire ex-president. But there's obviously a helluva lot more than nothing there:
  1. Trump is on tape literally bragging about sexually assaulting women ("I don't even wait... grab 'em by the *****") under the pretext that it's fine if they don't physically fight him off due to the power disparity ("when you're a star, they let you do it")
  2. He's been found liable in a civil suit for sexual assault of a woman, rape according to the common definition of the word according to the judge
  3. He's been credibly accused of sexual assault in various forms by numerous other women
  4. He's on tape sexualizing a young preteeen girl to her face ("I'm going to be dating her in ten years, can you believe it")
  5. He's been credibly accused by at least four victims of walking in on undressed Miss Teen USA contestants as young as 15
  6. He's publicly made innumerable creepy sexual comments about his own daughter
  7. He's obviously known to have been a close associate of Epstein and Maxwell
  8. An otherwise more or less allied and credible publication - the Wall Street Journal - published an alleged birthday greeting from Trump to Epstein alluding to the "wonderful secret" the two of them shared
  9. He has broken campaign promises, variously lied, continues to cover up the contents of the Epstein files and is actively showing clemency to his (surviving) friend and child sex abuser Ghislaine Maxwell, alienating some of his base
  10. He has been explicitly accused by multiple individuals of sexual offences against them as children
 
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Mithrae said:
Doubt and uncertainty have long been a hobby-horse of mine in terms of religious/theistic discussions, and now more than ever I've been meaning to at some point make a thread "What about when we're ~80% sure that someone is a child molester?"

Given that the Epstein files were also in the hands of the Biden administration, I can only assume that the evidence available even to the government - with a deceased Jeffery Epstein and a Ghislaine Maxwell possibly scared for her life and/or possibly awaiting clemency from a Trump administration - falls short of the rather high "beyond reasonable (or any possible) doubt" standard required to convict a billionaire ex-president. But there's obviously a helluva lot more than nothing there:
  1. Trump is on tape literally bragging about sexually assaulting women ("I don't even wait... grab 'em by the *****") under the pretext that it's fine if they don't physically fight him off due to the power disparity ("when you're a star, they let you do it")
  2. He's been found liable in a civil suit for sexual assault of a woman, rape according to the common definition of the word according to the judge
  3. He's been credibly accused of sexual assault in various forms by numerous other women
  4. He's on tape sexualizing a young preteeen girl to her face ("I'm going to be dating her in ten years, can you believe it")
  5. He's been credibly accused by at least four victims of walking in on undressed Miss Teen USA contestants as young as 15
  6. He's publicly made innumerable creepy sexual comments about his own daughter
  7. He's obviously known to have been a close associate of Epstein and Maxwell
  8. An otherwise more or less allied and credible publication - the Wall Street Journal - published an alleged birthday greeting from Trump to Epstein alluding to the "wonderful secret" the two of them shared
  9. He has broken campaign promises, variously lied, continues to cover up the contents of the Epstein files and is actively showing clemency to his (surviving) friend and child sex abuser Ghislaine Maxwell, alienating some of his base
  10. He has been explicitly accused by multiple individuals of sexual offences against them as children
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The DOJ investigations into Epstein and Maxwell were very narrow in scope. Their recruitment of girls and mistreatment of them in NY and Palm Beach. Nothing about others who may have visited the island, parties, private jets, etc.
Like you, I suspect that the DOJ didn't pursue clients or Johns because the cases were not slam dunks. He said, she said cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute. That does not mean there was zero evidence.
The fact that Trump's followers continue to ignore and deflect from all the red flags about Trump's obsession with teen girls is true cult behavior.
 
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