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Florida lawmakers allowed into ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ say detainees packed into cages

NatMorton said:
Florida officials claim there are. They may be lying, then again, maybe not. How do you know?

www.forbes.com

What To Know About ‘Alligator Alcatraz’: Hundreds Detained Despite No Criminal Charges

Dubbed “Alligator Alcatraz,” the massive tent detention complex built deep in the Florida Everglades can hold 3,000 and could be the template for other facilities in other states.
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You have zero ability to think. There is no sewer and your link doesn’t say there is. In fact, your link said that one person yelled out he is a US citizen and then this

One 28-year-old green card holder said detainees “have no way to bathe, no way to wash their mouths, the toilet overflows and the floor is flooded with pee and poop.” The detainee also said they are given two minutes to eat per day and that “the meals have worms.” Attorneys told The AP that detainee rights to due process are being violated, with lawyers waiting hours to speak with clients, some of whom are as young as 15 and have no criminal charges.
 
Cope said:
You certainly are if you believe any of the three without a single shred of evidence because they have all continuously given you reasons to NOT trust what they say.

But you'll knee jerk the side your bias makes you .... :rolleyes:
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I know how long it would take to do a sewer or septic system neither would be possible in a swamp and certainly not in 8 days
 
ClaraD said:
You have zero ability to think. There is no sewer and your link doesn’t say there is. In fact, your link said that one person yelled out he is a US citizen and then this

One 28-year-old green card holder said detainees “have no way to bathe, no way to wash their mouths, the toilet overflows and the floor is flooded with pee and poop.” The detainee also said they are given two minutes to eat per day and that “the meals have worms.” Attorneys told The AP that detainee rights to due process are being violated, with lawyers waiting hours to speak with clients, some of whom are as young as 15 and have no criminal charges.
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I'm not disputing people are making that claim.

What you're missing is that I not only have the "ability to think," I also have the ability to think critically.
 
NatMorton said:
I'm not disputing people are making that claim.

What you're missing is that I not only have the "ability to think," I also have the ability to think critically.
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Then why are you insisting there is one? Btw, I am a licensed residential contractor. My SO is a licensed commercial contractor. So, it seems to be a question that is out of your league.
 
ClaraD said:
Then why are you insisting there is one? Btw, I am a licensed residential contractor. My SO is a licensed commercial contractor. So, it seems to be a question that is out of your league.
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Curious, what, exactly, do you think I'm "insisting" on?
 
NatMorton said:
Curious, what, exactly, do you think I'm "insisting" on?
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You posted a link and said Florida officials said there is a septic system on site. Except, your link says the opposite. Then you try to sidestep and claim that you aren’t claiming anything. When caught making something up its best to either admit it or slink away. I know the requirements for both a well and septic system. Neither are possible in that area, especially in 8 days. Do you know why? Do you know what a perc test is?
 
So, you can go ahead and try to show what officials said this or admit no one did. Btw, even DeSantis has admitted there isn’t either an on site well or septic system
 
ClaraD said:
You posted a link and said Florida officials said there is a septic system on site. Except, your link says the opposite. Then you try to sidestep and claim that you aren’t claiming anything. When caught making something up its best to either admit it or slink away. I know the requirements for both a well and septic system. Neither are possible in that area, especially in 8 days. Do you know why? Do you know what a perc test is?
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The question is not whether there is a specific type of sanitation system or not. The question is whether the conditions, overall, are humane. If they are proven not to be, I support addressing that. What more do you want?
 

Florida lawmakers allowed into ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ say detainees packed into cages!​

Cages vs jail cells, not really much difference outside the cages are essentially, outside.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Your point wasn’t proven. You’re just regurgitating the same debunked bullshit you guys have to whip out because you support literal concentration camps now.
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You claiming it is debunked is rather hilarious.
But hey I have noticed your connection with reality is not that strong so I can’t say I am surprised
 
RF667799 said:
Like I said, I don't think "But I've got a (illegal) job" is a good defense for another illegal action. I've known guys who had jobs and went to jail anyway.
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No you don’t get it. If you have a job or a pet you should be immune from all legal action.
It’s the only humane way to deal with the problem.
 
ClaraD said:
You have zero ability to think. There is no sewer and your link doesn’t say there is. In fact, your link said that one person yelled out he is a US citizen and then this

One 28-year-old green card holder said detainees “have no way to bathe, no way to wash their mouths, the toilet overflows and the floor is flooded with pee and poop.” The detainee also said they are given two minutes to eat per day and that “the meals have worms.” Attorneys told The AP that detainee rights to due process are being violated, with lawyers waiting hours to speak with clients, some of whom are as young as 15 and have no criminal charges.
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More like “Alligator Auschwitz”.
 
LouC said:

Florida lawmakers allowed into ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ say detainees packed into cages!​

Cages vs jail cells, not really much difference outside the cages are essentially, outside.
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Air conditioned tents are NOT “essentially outside”. If it is good enough for our troops to spend a year in Iraq living in tents, it is good enough for illegal alien criminals. And they have the choice to self deport. Win win for everyone.
 
Tell the truth. When you guys were growing up with all of these people that turned out to be MAGA when you were little kids did you really think they would end up being this evil? When they were kids did you REALLY think they would grow up to be this evil?
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Air conditioned tents are NOT “essentially outside”. If it is good enough for our troops to spend a year in Iraq living in tents, it is good enough for illegal alien criminals. And they have the choice to self deport. Win win for everyone.
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So, they are in cages in tents, outside of buildings, sitting out in the Everglades.

Meh, not worth an argument to me.

I think my position on this broad topic might need clarifying.

I would like to see all local and State jails and or prisons work with DHS-ICE to vet every newly arrested individual or already incarcerated individual to determine their Legal status to be here.

Frankly I think providing them A/C in Alligator Alcatraz is an overkill on the luxury of their lodgings, have it for the guards etc., for the perps, not so much.

I have for decades also felt and vocalized that living in tents, for criminals was just fine, if prisons and jails are overcrowded, and I too have used the analogy that if such conditions are adequate for our beloved Military that they should be just fine for illegals and or any other criminals.

Yes, it would be best for all Americans if the folks here illegally would all self deport.

I support President Donald Trump's move to remove Illegal Immigrants from the USA, with some few caveats. I do not support inhumane captures, also I am opposed to any American Citizens being mistakenly and or coercively removed.

I do not oppose immediate removal, right then and there, of illegals caught at the border obviously coming across the border illegally.

Illegals already here that are caught need to have due process in their cases.

I oppose President Donald Trump backing off ICE from targeting illegal workers on farms and or in service industries etc.

I would like to see more ICE focus on the estimated 44% of our illegals here in America who came here legally but overstayed visa's etc. and have fallen into illegally here status.

This will all take more money, more people, more immigration courts and immigration judges and lawyers, not less.

It would be great if American individuals and American Businesses would not hire and thus attract so many illegal aliens, and that those caught with Illegal Undocumented folks in their employ were severely punished for aiding and abetting illegal immigration, and I would not accept any business playing the "but we didn't know" they were not here legally.

I would not be opposed to ICE-DHS etc. having a hand in vetting every already hired persons as well as any potential new hires.

It would be great if the miles and miles of our Southern Border that have yet to be given a "big beautiful wall" aka bollard style steel fencing were filled in with said barriers and that the attending security infrastructure was matched to the fencing as the DHS and CBP would like to have in place which includes roads, vehicles, cameras, ground sensors, drones, day and night flir capability, and most importantly well trained and equipped personnel.
 
Mycroft said:
I know, it sucks when consequences finally catch up to actions.
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You obviously don’t believe in the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, or the authority of Senate-ratified treaties.

Hint: human rights are not rewards for good behavior.
 
Nickyjo said:
You obviously don’t believe in the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, or the authority of Senate-ratified treaties.

Hint: human rights are not rewards for good behavior.
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True, but neither do immigrants -- and especially illegal ones -- enjoy all the same Constitutional protections as do US citizens. Too many of you on the left seem to be forgetting that.
 
NatMorton said:
True, but neither do immigrants -- and especially illegal ones -- enjoy all the same Constitutional protections as do US citizens. Too many of you on the left seem to be forgetting that.
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There's a pretty wide swath between "all the same constitutional protections' and "zero". Conservatives also believe the constitution says whatever Donald Trump tells them it says. That's a problem for conservatives.
 
NatMorton said:
True, but neither do immigrants -- and especially illegal ones -- enjoy all the same Constitutional protections as do US citizens. Too many of you on the left seem to be forgetting that.
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Perhaps not all the protections, but certainly many of those in the Bill of Rights. And of course those in the Refugee Act of 1980 and three US Senate-ratified treaties.

And check out the beginning of the Declaration of Independence, especially the words “self evident” and “inalienable,” for a Founder’s view of our country’s philosophy.
 
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Nickyjo said:
Perhaps not all the protections, but certainly many of those in the Bill of Rights. And of course those in the Refugee Act of 1980 and three US Senate-ratified treaties.

And check out the beginning of the Declaration of Independence, especially the words “self evident” and “inalienable,” for a Founder’s view of our country’s philosophy.
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The DoI is not operative law.
 
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