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Florida doctor fatally removed Alabama man’s liver (2 Viewers)

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This is about the most flagrant case of malpractice I can imagine.

A Florida surgeon’s medical license was suspended after causing the death of an Alabama man by allegedly removing the patient’s liver instead of his spleen. Dr. Thomas Shaknovsky was ordered to have his osteopathic physician license suspended Tuesday by Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo.

The reasoning for this act was due to Shaknovsky’s “repeated egregious surgical errors” and “egregious conduct of fabricating medical records” outline in a 21-page emergency suspension order. The order also included information about the death of William Bryan which occurred during a procedure conducted by Shaknovsky.

Those organs don't look alike and aren't even on the same side of the body.

Question: Should this hack be charged with manslaughter?

He should be and the administration charged as aiding and abetting. Besides being sued.
 
Perhaps he was paid for a liver and this was the easiest way to get one
 
Thankfully surgeons are licensed, because if they weren't, they'd be removing livers instead of spleens. That doesn't happen because licensing guarantees quality.
 
So, you should right in magic marker "no" over every square inch on yourself except where the surgery is and "cut here" I guess.
 
DrewPaul said:
This is about the most flagrant case of malpractice I can imagine.
He should be and the administration charged as aiding and abetting. Besides being sued.
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Why would he be sued or face legal consequences? You don't believe those things matter last I saw, and it's just lawfare anyway.

I believe you'd support that doctor, based on your post history, and you'd champion him being the chief of surgery, maybe the CEO of the entire hospital network.

Besides, what are you basing his death on...removal of his liver? You can't prove that, there is always doubt. This guy was already sick, had pre-existing conditions.

And why would it matter whether or not he needed his spleen and not his liver removed in the first place? Facts, I'm told, don't matter. Anything goes DrewPaul, and just remember, there was an even WORSE doctor out there, so you had to just go with the lesser of two evils.

The poor victim of his own moral failings.
 
Mr Person said:
I don't see the problem. The free market will just cause people to go to different doctors if he keeps killing patients. No need for any legal action.
/s/ off
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In a free market, a surgeon who screws up like this one did would be done performing surgery forever.

However with a licensing scheme, bad doctors get protected.

Furthermore, the idea that licensing schemes for doctors and nurses improves quality is demolished when you find out what the third leading cause of death is in the US.
 
This is the result of not having the game Operation as a child.
Forget the many years of education; the game is the best way to learn body parts. /s

But really, this is horrible. Malpractice can't really get much worse.
 
Mach said:
Why would he be sued or face legal consequences? You don't believe those things matter last I saw, and it's just lawfare anyway.
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Its on a case by case basis.
 
DrewPaul said:
This is about the most flagrant case of malpractice I can imagine.

A Florida surgeon’s medical license was suspended after causing the death of an Alabama man by allegedly removing the patient’s liver instead of his spleen. Dr. Thomas Shaknovsky was ordered to have his osteopathic physician license suspended Tuesday by Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo.

The reasoning for this act was due to Shaknovsky’s “repeated egregious surgical errors” and “egregious conduct of fabricating medical records” outline in a 21-page emergency suspension order. The order also included information about the death of William Bryan which occurred during a procedure conducted by Shaknovsky.

Those organs don't look alike and aren't even on the same side of the body.

Question: Should this hack be charged with manslaughter?

He should be and the administration charged as aiding and abetting. Besides being sued.
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Makes one wonder if her earned his medical degree legitimately.
 
aociswundumho said:
In a free market, a surgeon who screws up like this one did would be done performing surgery forever.

However with a licensing scheme, bad doctors get protected.

Furthermore, the idea that licensing schemes for doctors and nurses improves quality is demolished when you find out what the third leading cause of death is in the US.
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Why? Who would stop a bad surgeon from performing surgery? What if he is really, really cheap compared to other surgeons and does not kill all of his patients due to negligence, but perhaps 10%? What mechanisms would be put in place in an anarcho-capitalist system to stop "Surgeon Dan's discount organ surgery" from advertising?
 
So in reading the suspension order, this man has been removing random organs from patients. Check out this defense:

“In response to the allegations, Dr. Shaknovsky claimed that the adrenal gland “migrated” to a different part of the body.”

Nevermind the suspension. How did this guy get a license in the first place?
 
Felis Leo said:
What if he is really, really cheap compared to other surgeons and does not kill all of his patients due to negligence, but perhaps 10%?
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Excellent question. The price/quality trade-off decision is best made by each individual person. You don't make people better off by limiting their options, especially poor people.

Felis Leo said:
What mechanisms would be put in place in an anarcho-capitalist system to stop "Surgeon Dan's discount organ surgery" from advertising?
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None.

Discount services are a huge benefit to poor people who can't afford high quality. You're falling for the left-wing idea that outlawing hamburger means everybody gets steak. That's not the case in the real world.

Tell me, would you support a law criminalizing homeless people for eating food they found in a dumpster? Food found in a dumpster would certainly be deemed "unsafe" by the regulatory state, so why not prevent them from eating it?
 
absolutely no business with a scalpel or any responsibility at all


5. On or about Friday, May 12, 2023, Patient G.D., a 58-year-old man, presented to Ascension for a scheduled adrenalectomy due to a mass on his left adrenal gland.
6. Adrenal glands are small triangular glands located on the top of each kidney.
7. During the surgery, Dr. Shaknovsky removed a portion of Patient G.D.'s pancreas instead of the adrenal gland. The pancreas is a large gland located behind the stomach and is surrounded by the gallbladder, liver, andspleen.
8. Dr. Shaknovsky did not remove Patient G.D.’s adrenal gland.
9. Dr. Shaknovsky documented in the operative report that he removed Patient G.D.’s left adrenal gland.
10. Ascension did not have on-site pathologists on Friday, so Dr. Shaknovsky sent the tissue he removed to pathology for review.
11. On May 15, 2024, a pathologist reviewed the purported “adrenal” gland and determined that it was pancreatic tissue.
12. On or about May 16, 2023, Patient G.D. presented to Ascension with leakage and pain around his abdominal drain and vomiting.
13. In response to the allegations, Dr. Shaknovsky claimed that the adrenal gland had “migrated” to a different part of the body.
14. Patient G.D. suffered from long-term, permanent harm as a result of Dr. Shaknovsky’s error.
 
Mr Person said:
I don't see the problem. The free market will just cause people to go to different doctors if he keeps killing patients. No need for any legal action.


/s/ off
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Right on cue:

aociswundumho said:
In a free market, a surgeon who screws up like this one did would be done performing surgery forever.

However with a licensing scheme, bad doctors get protected.

Furthermore, the idea that licensing schemes for doctors and nurses improves quality is demolished when you find out what the third leading cause of death is in the US.
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That's what one says when they believe that pure capitalism solves everything.
 
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