Florida courts could take 'emergency' custody of kids with trans parents or siblings — even if they live in another state

[BlueTex]

Lol, petitioning the court to abuse children is better?

So we can dismiss the "mandating" bullshit of your comment?

 

[vegas giants]

What procedures are unsupported by science?

Puberty blockers, hormones and surgery on kids

 

[j brown's body]

It means a great deal of something. Lol

Does that mean 6 doctors or 600 or 6000 or anywhere in between?

If you can't be exact, it's a pointless statement. That seems to be a trend for you here.

 

[Davin]

Good. Freaks and weirdos shouldn’t be allowed to impose their lifestyles on children.

I agree conservatives are freaks and weirdos.

 

[vegas giants]

Does that mean 6 doctors or 600 or 6000 or anywhere in between?

If you can't be exact, it's a pointless statement. That seems to be a trend for you here.

OK. Thank you for your opinion

 

[multivita-man]

They just need to mind their own ****ing business and keep their religions and bigotry in their churches and far away from normal people. Next thing you know they'll be arguing for eugenics, euthanasia and forced sterilization because being gay is an 'abomination' in the eyes of their imaginary lord.

They need to, but they won't.

CPAC Speaker Calls for Eradication of 'Transgenderism' -- and Somehow Claims He's Not Calling for Elimination of Transgender People

“For the good of society... transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,” Daily Wire's Michael Knowles told the CPAC audience.

www.rollingstone.com

CPAC Speaker Calls for Transgenderism to Be ‘Eradicated’​

“For the good of society... transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,” far-right conservative Michael Knowles said, drawing raucous applause

They won't because the conservative ideology is power. It isn't democracy. It isn't liberty. It isn't justice. It's power, being among the strong, and dominating, or as this guy literally puts it, eradicating the weak.

They live in a world of scarcity, of zero-sum. There's no sharing, there's either keeping or taking. There's no consent or permission. None of that. It's either fight or die, and they are fighting all kinds of enemies that are imagined to us but very real to them.

Hitler’s World | Timothy Snyder

In Hitler’s world, the law of the jungle was the only law. People were to suppress any inclination to be merciful and were to be as rapacious as they could.

www.nybooks.com

 

[BlueTex]

Yes. I believe there is a paucity of research on the long term effects of this care. This is why England, finland and Sweden are pulling back from these treatments on children

What your credentials for determining the insufficiency of the research? How much more research should be completed?

 

[Callen]

Nor are yours. There are lots of medical opinions now that we should not be doing this to kids

I agree, nor are mine. If there are doctors and psychiatrists with the proper credentials who have legitimate concerns with the way children are really being treated, not the conspiracy theory view, there are avenues for them to express their professional opinions. There are also very well respected medical groups such as the American Pediatric Association who have oversight and are very involved in these matters

As an aside what I see happening is an all out attack on the Transgendered community from multiple directions. It was on full display at CPAC this weekend. One congressman called for the "total eradication" of all transgenders. What the hell is that?

 

[snakestretcher]

Is there less abuse in other settings, such as public schools?



Citation required.

Are Catholic Clergy more Likely to Be Paedophiles than the General Public? Redux - BishopAccountability.org

This has come up in a thread again, so I thought I would regale you with a piece I wrote now three years ago on the subject, but now with some updated tweaks. This is a question that has been kicking around ever since the child sex abuse scandal involving the Catholic church came to the fore. In...

www.bishop-accountability.org

Clergy Abuse Lawyer | Pintas & Mullins Law Firm

If you or a loved one suffered from clergy abuse, you could be entitled to compensation related to the incident. Pintas & Mullins Law Firm offers free case evaluations.

www.pintas.com

And this is in just one country, France:

At Least 330,000 Minors Were Victims Of Sex Abuse In The French Catholic Church Since 1950, Report Finds

The independent investigators concluded that there have been at least 2,900 to 3,200 perpetrators of child sexual assault among clergy members in the church over the past 70 years.

www.forbes.com

 

[vegas giants]

What your credentials for determining the insufficiency of the research? How much more research should be completed?

You won't find a single doctor in America that says the science on long term effects of trans care on minors is robust and strong.

Impact of Early Medical Treatment for Transgender Youth: Protocol for the Longitudinal, Observational Trans Youth Care Study - PMC

Transgender children and adolescents (ie, those who experience incongruence between assigned sex at birth and internal gender identity) are poorly understood and an understudied population in the United States. Since 2008, medical care for ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BrotherFease]

I admit, I don’t really understand why there’s all this concern all of sudden. Are hoards of parents forcing their kids to get sex changes?

Nope. Here are the facts:

- According to the New York Times article, 1.4% of children between the ages of 12-17 identify as transgender.
- In order for somebody to undergo medical transition (not social transition -- change name, clothing, hairstyle, pronouns, etc), they have to go through various psychological and medical protocols, setup by our professional medical and psychological societies.
- There's debate among medical professionals on the potential starting point, but it currently 11 for puberty blockers and 16 for hormones. No surgeries until at least 18, except for top surgeries for transgender males.
- The protocols are important. The medical societies have to look to see if it's gender dysphoria or autism or DID or something else. You cannot just walk in one day, and come out with puberty blockers. They have to go through an extensive examination period.

It is only an issue, because the GOP realizes that the issue excites their base. They do not do any type of research. There are legitimate concerns about sports teams and transition before 18 -- a high percentage of children can grow out of gender dysphoria. For example, there is concerns about long-term negative impacts of bone structure.

My problem here is that these Red States (Not just Florida) seems to believe these procedures and protocols are always done in bad faith. I honestly don't think people should transition before the age of 21, but I understand it's a personal medical decision between the patient, family, and their medical providers. One size fits all is not the best method for anything in life.

 

[vegas giants]

I agree, nor are mine. If there are doctors and psychiatrists with the proper credentials who have legitimate concerns with the way children are really being treated, not the conspiracy theory view, there are avenues for them to express their professional opinions. There are also very well respected medical groups such as the American Pediatric Association who have oversight and are very involved in these matters

As an aside what I see happening is an all out attack on the Transgendered community from multiple directions. It was on full display at CPAC this weekend. One congressman called for the "total eradication" of all transgenders. What the hell is that?

My only concern here is for minors

 

[BirdinHand]

Is there less abuse in other settings, such as public schools?



Citation required.

Not hard at all.

A 2021 report showed that over 330K children have been abused by clergy in the Catholic Church in the past 70 years or so.

In a report earlier this week, a French commission on child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church found that more than 330,000 children had been abused over the past 70 years, with about two-thirds of them abused by Catholic clergy.

America Still Hasn’t Reckoned With Its Own Catholic Child Abuse Scandal

The French showed this week why the U.S. Congress needs to launch a commission on clergy sexual abuse of minors.

newrepublic.com

Feel free to do your own Google search. The Catholic Church itself now often lists the priests in each Diocese that have been found to have abused children.

Here is the list from my hometown diocese in fact - CREDIBLY ACCUSED OFFENDERS. One small diocese in NEPA:

Credibly Accused Individuals

LIST OF INDIVIDUALS FOR WHOM ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF A MINOR HAVE BEEN ADMITTED, ESTABLISHED OR DETERMINED TO BE CREDIBLE This list is being published as part of the Diocese of Scranton’s ongoing commitment to transparency and to encourage sexual abuse victims to come forward. The...

www.dioceseofscranton.org

 

[Callen]

People who are administering these dangerous drugs to confused children are not "professionals", they are ideologues, and criminals.

So say you. I think I'll go with the American Pediatric Association and other such organizations that actually know what they are talking about

 

[Paradoxical]

Florida courts could allow 'emergency' custody of kids with trans parents or siblings — even if they live in another state

Senate Bill 254 would allow Florida courts to end or modify out-of-state custody agreements if a child is allowed to take hormones or puberty blockers.

www.businessinsider.com

Cool. So if a trans parent enters the state of Florida, even if they live in another state, the STATE can kidnap their child? If this bill passes, it basically makes being a parent and being trans illegal. And what does "at risk" of receiving gender-affirming care ****ing mean? How do they determine the "risk" before they rip your child from you?!

**** this ****ing shithole sewage drain of a state. If this law passes there is no way it will hold up in court, but this is where the GOP is at these day.

God help us all if they ever get control of the federal government.

GTREAT bill.

 

[Lovebug]

Yikes, I wish both sides would cool their jets.

 

[j brown's body]

Puberty blockers, hormones and surgery on kids

Something to keep I mind

"Gender-affirming hormones like estrogen and testosterone are bigger decisions. They are generally not prescribed until a patient is 16 (though they can be prescribed as early as 14 in select clear-cut cases). They will cause body changes that are not easily reversed, like body fat redistribution and changes in body hair. Adolescents should be counseled extensively before starting these medications.

Parents should also remember, however, that these changes are mostly cosmetic. The potential benefits from gender-affirming hormones (improved mental health) will usually outweigh the low risk of an adolescent later changing their mind and regretting cosmetic changes. This risk-benefit analysis should be carefully discussed in therapy before these drugs are started.

Surgery is, of course, irreversible and requires serious thought. Big surgeries like phalloplasty (construction of a penis) and vaginoplasty (construction of a vagina) are not offered until patients have reached adulthood."

Link

Since so few young people transition back, it's ridiculous to deny thus care to 95% plus who are grateful for it while some increased regulation could help weed out the few who are not and want to transition back.

So this really isn't about protecting the kid since your policy would hurt so many of them. It's just simply transphobia that seeks to erase these kids and tear apart families trying to do the best they can.

 

[snakestretcher]

They need to, but they won't.

CPAC Speaker Calls for Eradication of 'Transgenderism' -- and Somehow Claims He's Not Calling for Elimination of Transgender People

“For the good of society... transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,” Daily Wire's Michael Knowles told the CPAC audience.

www.rollingstone.com

They won't because the conservative ideology is power. It isn't democracy. It isn't liberty. It isn't justice. It's power, being among the strong, and dominating, or as this guy literally puts it, eradicating the weak.

They live in a world of scarcity, of zero-sum. There's no sharing, there's either keeping or taking. There's no consent or permission. None of that. It's either fight or die, and they are fighting all kinds of enemies that are imagined to us but very real to them.

Hitler’s World | Timothy Snyder

In Hitler’s world, the law of the jungle was the only law. People were to suppress any inclination to be merciful and were to be as rapacious as they could.

www.nybooks.com

I hate to bring it up but the Nazis were of a similar mindset, 'eradicating' any child deemed to be a "life unworthy of life". In other words not conforming to the 'purity' of the Nordic Aryan stereotype.

 

[post]

GTREAT bill.

Keep up...

Putin’s Invasion Foretold

No one should speak of this war unless they have read Putin’s Mein Kampf, a 21-page essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians.”

www.gregpalast.com

Greg Palast
February 24, 2023
"...
How odd, how tragic that some of my friends on the US Left, who will who rightly demand respect for appropriate pronouns, defend Putin who made simply advocating for LGBTQ rights a crime and empowers “gay-hunting” pogroms.

Putin accuses the West of poisoning Russians with the “monstrosity…that a boy can become a girl and reversely, [that] they can play five or six gender roles.”

Read carefully Putin’s declaration of the invasion of Ukraine and the his true cause is declared:

“[The West] sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration because they are contrary to human nature.”

Putin, at his grand ceremony annexing Ukraine provinces, linked it directly to his war on Western-inspired transgender rights which he termed, “pure Satanism.”

 

[vegas giants]

Something to keep I mind

"Gender-affirming hormones like estrogen and testosterone are bigger decisions. They are generally not prescribed until a patient is 16 (though they can be prescribed as early as 14 in select clear-cut cases). They will cause body changes that are not easily reversed, like body fat redistribution and changes in body hair. Adolescents should be counseled extensively before starting these medications.

Parents should also remember, however, that these changes are mostly cosmetic. The potential benefits from gender-affirming hormones (improved mental health) will usually outweigh the low risk of an adolescent later changing their mind and regretting cosmetic changes. This risk-benefit analysis should be carefully discussed in therapy before these drugs are started.

Surgery is, of course, irreversible and requires serious thought. Big surgeries like phalloplasty (construction of a penis) and vaginoplasty (construction of a vagina) are not offered until patients have reached adulthood."

Link

Since so few young people transition back, it's ridiculous to deny thus care to 95% plus who are grateful for it while some increased regulation could help weed out the few who are not and want to transition back.

So this really isn't about protecting the kid since your policy would hurt so many of them. It's just simply transphobia that seeks to erase these kids and tear apart families trying to do the best they can.

The idea that the research on long term effects is conclusive is laughable

 

[j brown's body]

The idea that the research on long term effects is conclusive is laughable

Cause it contradicts your subjective opinion.

 

[Callen]

My only concern here is for minors

How do you feel about a minor bring forced to carry a rapist's child? Abuse?

 

[BirdinHand]

The idea that the research on long term effects is conclusive is laughable

What is the long term effect of suicide?

 

[vegas giants]

Cause it contradicts your subjective opinion.

All I ask is you name the doctors who claim the long term effects of trans care on minors is robustly and strongly researched

Impact of Early Medical Treatment for Transgender Youth: Protocol for the Longitudinal, Observational Trans Youth Care Study - PMC

Transgender children and adolescents (ie, those who experience incongruence between assigned sex at birth and internal gender identity) are poorly understood and an understudied population in the United States. Since 2008, medical care for ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Paradoxical]

Keep up...


"...
How odd, how tragic that some of my friends on the US Left, who will who rightly demand respect for appropriate pronouns, defend Putin who made simply advocating for LGBTQ rights a crime and empowers “gay-hunting” pogroms.

Putin accuses the West of poisoning Russians with the “monstrosity…that a boy can become a girl and reversely, [that] they can play five or six gender roles.”

Read carefully Putin’s declaration of the invasion of Ukraine and the his true cause is declared:


Putin, at his grand ceremony annexing Ukraine provinces, linked it directly to his war on Western-inspired transgender rights which he termed, “pure Satanism.”

Putin!?? OMG! You folks sure need your boogeymen.

The bill has nothing to do with Pootin!

If it's not Putin, It's trump. if it's not them, it's DeSantis. Can the left ever make a case on its own merits without using some scapegoat?