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Florida courts could take 'emergency' custody of kids with trans parents or siblings — even if they live in another state

BrotherFease said:
There was a follow-up study too. It apparently rendered different results + they used questionable methodology



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For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority eventually ceased to identify as transgender. But some gender researchers say that research is faulty.
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Yeah the science is all over the place because it is so sparce and so new


Pump the brakes and do the research
 
weaver2 said:
The article seems balanced. Over all they report that the medical profession seems to be trying to be ethical and scientific in addressing the problem. They say there are a few doctors pushing drugs but in the most part It looks like the medical profession is working on research, is using caution in addressing the situation with puberty blocking drugs and has not gone rogue with surgeries on minors; between 2019 and 2021 56 surgeries were performed on minors in the US. There was no indication that the authors thought any of these surgeries were ill advised and the out comes a medical and psychological disaster.

Your objections seem to be that the medical profession hasn't done enough research, doctors are pushing gender change, surgery is wrong and too many doctors are willing to do surgery on minors.

You appear to agree with Florida that the solution to these problems in the medical profession is to take kids away from parents.
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I read over the article too. I think it is legit and expresses compassion/understanding. Ryace's parents were accepting of their daughter and sought out medical treatment for their daughter's condition. It looks like they talked it over with gender specialists and Ryace's herself, and came to the conclusion that puberty blockers were the right course of action. This is something I want all parents to have. Ryace's shouldn't be forced to suffer and develop mental issues.
 
BrotherFease said:
I read over the article too. I think it is legit and expresses compassion/understanding. Ryace's parents were accepting of their daughter and sought out medical treatment for their daughter's condition. It looks like they talked it over with gender specialists and Ryace's herself, and came to the conclusion that puberty blockers were the right course of action. This is something I want all parents to have. Ryace's shouldn't be forced to suffer and develop mental issues.
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vegas giants said:
Yeah the science is all over the place because it is so sparce and so new

Pump the brakes and do the research
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Yes, I agree. But let people do their research and make decisions for themselves. We have a wealth of knowledge. I just don't agree with the criminalization from the Red Staters.
 
BrotherFease said:
Yes, I agree. But let people do their research and make decisions for themselves. We have a wealth of knowledge. I just don't agree with the criminalization from the Red Staters.
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No. We don't just put drugs on the market until AFTER the research
 
vegas giants said:
No. We don't just put drugs on the market until AFTER the research
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Don’t want to sound like a broken record, but pretty all of our professional American organization believe early medical transition can be an option. Unless you add something new, we can move on to other subjects.
 
BrotherFease said:
Don’t want to sound like a broken record, but pretty all of our professional American organization believe early medical transition can be an option. Unless you add something new, we can move on to other subjects.
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The list of things our medical organizations have been wrong about is long


The UK, Sweden and finland have medical organizations too and they urge restraint
 
vegas giants said:
The list of things our medical organizations have been wrong about is long
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The list of things they have gotten right is also long.
vegas giants said:
The UK, Sweden and finland have medical organizations too and they urge restraint
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The Reuters article indicated the AMA also urges restraint. Taking kids away from their parents as a response to a few greedy, rogue doctors is a very strange way to slow down their unethical prescribing of drugs.
 
BrotherFease said:
The previous posters may have worded it wrong, but here's another way of putting it:

Lets say your 14-15 year old Son/Daughter has been diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria. Your kid is having problems sleeping, smiling, and frequently gets depressed because they feel they were born in the wrong body and puberty growth is only making it worse. You go to your doctor/provider, and they suggest puberty blockers to relieve the pain. Why would you as a caring parent, dismiss the idea or feel that doctor should be thrown in prison for making such a suggestion? This is basically what is happening. Kids are in pain. These kids want to hurt themselves. Why would you limit their options? Puberty Blockers are medically approved, starting at age 12. That's what the poster is trying to get at. For me, I would say "put everything" on the table, if this was my child. You may feel differently, but I think all parents should be able to excess all medically approved options.
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Gender dysphoria....geez.....honestly if i had a child, even one dealing with homosexuality, I would have a talk with them about how they feel is not immoral or sick or crazy or makes them less than anyone else and most importantly that I love him/her......but I would also tell them that the path they choose will lead to a lot of emotional and perhaps even physical pain......they should go wisely and make the concessions to society necessary to live the way they want to the best of their ability and the realities of life...don't make your life all about sexuality.....we are all children of our creation and none of us are guaranteed anything except death.....
 
weaver2 said:
The list of things they have gotten right is also long.

The Reuters article indicated the AMA also urges restraint. Taking kids away from their parents as a response to a few greedy, rogue doctors is a very strange way to slow down their unethical prescribing of drugs.
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Let's have a ban except for clinical studies

That would be medically prudent
 
vegas giants said:
It is absolutely my business to protect kids
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So you think the state's interest is in protecting children by taking LGBT kids away from their parents if the kids are taking puberty delaying drug when a couple of months earlier that same state passed legislation taking school protections away from LGBT kids. (the 'don't say gay' law)
 
weaver2 said:
So you think the state's interest is in protecting children by taking LGBT kids away from their parents if the kids are taking puberty delaying drug when a couple of months earlier that same state passed legislation taking school protections away from LGBT kids. (the 'don't say gay' law)
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I'm not linking the two separate bills
 
vegas giants said:
The list of things our medical organizations have been wrong about is long


The UK, Sweden and finland have medical organizations too and they urge restraint
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The list of medical things that lay people have been wrong about is even longer.
 
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