• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Flori-duh is not banning books from schools, they are just removing them. That's what I hear from some conservatives.

House Bill 1467, which became law in July, requires public schools to provide age-appropriate books. A qualified school media specialist — trained by the state — must give their approval. To date, more than 50 books have been banned from classrooms and school libraries by the state of Florida.

“As a parent, I should be able to have my kid read any book that I think is appropriate at school," said Andrew Spar, president of the Florida Education Association, the state’s teachers union. “But there is someone saying those books aren't allowed in school."

Spar is along with other parents who believe this is a case of government overreach.

“So, now my kid doesn't have the opportunity to read a book that they may connect to, that they may be excited about and that I would be okay with them reading,” he said. “I don't have that choice anymore as a parent, because the government's coming in saying that book is not allowed anymore.”

Spar likens that to Gov. Ron DeSantis’ decision to quash an Advanced Placement African American studies course, claiming it had what he called a “left-wing bias” that is not a part of the already-mandated program to teach African-American history.

“This course on Black history — what's one of the lessons about? ‘Queer Theory,” said the governor. “That's the wrong side of the line for Florida standards. When you try to use Black history to shoehorn in Queer Theory, you are clearly trying to use that for political purposes.”

The book ban also hits a number of books normally not associated with controversial ideas and concepts such as arithmetic and mathematics.

“One of the criticisms was the parents couldn't help their kids with the math homework,” DeSantis said. “First, it doesn't meet the standards, but second, math is about getting the right answer. It's not about how you feel about the problem or to introduce some of these other things. There's a right answer and there's a wrong answer.”

Meanwhile the College Board, on the first day of Black History Month, announced that they were acceding to DeSantis’ protest. The new curriculum deletes the names of several Black writers, scholars and leaders associated with Black feminism, LGBTQ issues and critical race
theory.

“And we're seeing this throughout the panhandle in different parts of Florida, where they're literally telling teachers, box up all the books in the school that the school didn't buy,” he said. “And in some classrooms, that's like 90, 95% of the books they have in the classroom. That's really limiting the learning for our students.”

Displaying or giving students a disallowed book, is a third-degree felony. A conviction is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine. Some believe that in itself could drive away potential teachers.

“What concerns me more, is there's already a teacher shortage. And if you're going to have teachers operate under a cloud of fear, it's certainly not going to encourage anyone to go into the field,” said David Godwin, an educator and president of Santa Rosa County Professional Educators.


He adds that one problem is some of those protesting the books in a school district — don’t have any kids in school.


Refer to my Sig line.
 
Maturing is realizing that the book burners were the good guys in history
 
And that is despite ALL of the propaganda saying otherwise from both sides
 
House Bill 1467, which became law in July, requires public schools to provide age-appropriate books. A qualified school media specialist — trained by the state — must give their approval. To date, more than 50 books have been banned from classrooms and school libraries by the state of Florida.

I can't believe what I'm actually reading.
 
The Republican party needs crushing losses at the polls in order to encourage them to cut this shit out.

I think the only way this happens is if they **** things up so badly that the average American can't help but notice. I would have thought we'd be there by now, but voters never seem to get it.
 
And, it's only in one county that they are being 'removed', not across the state.

Any other conservatives care to defend this statement?
If they really aren't "banned", then nobody could object to a free bookmobile containing all the "removed" books from parking right outside the school, offered as an alternative. I'd be happy to contribute to a librarian staffed, non-profit bookmobile, just to send the message. A couple of semesters should be long enough to make the point. If that roving library is interfered with, then it will expose the truth, and make liars out of those faux-conservatives who claim they are not being banned.
 
I think the only way this happens is if they **** things up so badly that the average American can't help but notice. I would have thought we'd be there by now, but voters never seem to get it.
They're doing fine.
 
If they really aren't "banned", then nobody could object to a free bookmobile containing all the "removed" books from parking right outside the school, offered as an alternative. I'd be happy to contribute to a librarian staffed, non-profit bookmobile, just to send the message. A couple of semesters should be long enough to make the point. If that roving library is interfered with, then it will expose the truth, and make liars out of those faux-conservatives who claim they are not being banned.
Please keep hands off. Thank you.
 
How would you classify "MAGAS"? We're your enemy. Schadenfreude!
MAGA folks are america's enemy, the enemy of democracy, authoritarian, cruel, evil and angry. Don't you have a benghazi investigation to attend to? Oh right, it's hunter's laptop that's the crisis, sorry.
 
I think the only way this happens is if they **** things up so badly that the average American can't help but notice. I would have thought we'd be there by now, but voters never seem to get it.
The problem is that they have faux, and many voters are in that ecosystem. Even if Republicans cause a default and tank the economy, faux will blame everything on Democrats and paint Republicans as deficit hawk heroes. This poster described the situation well :

#26
 
the books they burned were "sex research" nonsense
Try proving that obvious lie you just made.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/book-burning
Among the authors whose books student leaders burned that night were well-known socialists such as Bertolt Brecht and August Bebel; the founder of the concept of communism, Karl Marx; critical “bourgeois” writers like the Austrian playwright Arthur Schnitzler; and “corrupting foreign influences,” among them American author Ernest Hemingway.

The fires also consumed several writings of the 1929 Nobel Prize-winning German author Thomas Mann, whose support of the Weimar Republic and critique of fascism raised Nazi ire. Also burned were works of international best-selling author Erich Maria Remarque. Nazi ideologues vilified Remarque's unflinching description of war, All Quiet on the Western Front, as "a literary betrayal of the soldiers of the World War." Works by early German literary critics of the Nazi regime were also burned, such as those of Erich Kästner, Heinrich Mann, and Ernst Gläser.

Other writers included on the blacklists were American authors Jack London, Theodore Dreiser, and Helen Keller, whose belief in social justice encouraged her to champion the disabled, pacifism, improved conditions for industrial workers, and women's voting rights.

Jewish authors numbered among the writers whose works were burned, among them some of the most famous contemporary writers of the day, such as Franz Werfel, Max Brod, and Stefan Zweig.
 
Back
Top Bottom