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Florence's Records Should Be Noted

calamity said:
NC rainfall amount breaks the previous record by 10", a 40% increase from 1999 record set during Hurricane Floyd.



River flooding exceeds what the gauges can measure.



I wonder if there is some larger climate trend out there which can give us an idea as to what is happening :confused:
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So is extermination of America the only solution to saving the world?
 
longview said:
The fact that Watt cited a peer reviewed paper, does not diminish the quality of the paper.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2011GL047711
If the standard for a quality paper is peer review and professional citations,
then this paper qualifies.
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It’s the interpretation that’s wrong.

Even Judith Curry knows it’s BS.

5B.5 The misuse and misinterpretation of the ACE and PDI indices for hurricane energetics (2010 - 90annual_18applied)
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s the interpretation that’s wrong.

Even Judith Curry knows it’s BS.

5B.5 The misuse and misinterpretation of the ACE and PDI indices for hurricane energetics (2010 - 90annual_18applied)
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So, suddenly Judith Curry is a valid source for you, do you also agree with her findings of ECS?
The paper is the paper and the weather the measurement is in error or not, the same measuring stick shows the total energy decreasing.
We likely will find a better way to gauge tropical cyclones, but until then we can compare apples to apples.
 
Dittohead not! said:
but it has everything to do with why you believe it.
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No. I knew about Ryan Maue long before I heard of Anthony Watts.

[h=3]Ryan Maue | Cato Institute[/h]https://www.cato.org/people/ryan-maue



Ryan Maue is a research meteorologist and an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. He has developed and maintained a popular weather maps and climate ...
 
Jack Hays said:
No. I knew about Ryan Maue long before I heard of Anthony Watts.

[h=3]Ryan Maue | Cato Institute[/h]https://www.cato.org/people/ryan-maue



Ryan Maue is a research meteorologist and an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. He has developed and maintained a popular weather maps and climate ...
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Odd that a libertarian think tank needs a weather forecaster...
 
Threegoofs said:
Odd that a libertarian think tank needs a weather forecaster...
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Jack Hays said:
[FONT=&quot]Ryan Maue is a research meteorologist and an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. He has developed and maintained a popular weather maps and climate data service based on the world’s best numerical weather prediction systems. During his graduate studies at Florida State University, he researched extratropical and tropical cyclones, utilizing mesoscale models and large reanalysis datasets, and published multiple peer-reviewed articles. After his PhD in 2010, Maue was awarded a National Research Council postdoctoral associateship at the Naval Research Lab in Monterey, California where he focused on global weather prediction and verification. With the growth of Twitter and ability to post images, Maue’s weather maps and expert commentary are widely seen in social media as well as quoted in mainstream outlets.[/FONT]
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Odd that a political think tank needs a weatherman.
 
Threegoofs said:
Odd that a political think tank needs a weatherman.
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They don't. His relationship is adjunct. Cato has broad interests.


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Jack Hays said:
They don't. His relationship is adjunct. Cato has broad interests.


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Odd that a political think tank needs a weatherman.
 
Jack Hays said:
No. I knew about Ryan Maue long before I heard of Anthony Watts.

[h=3]Ryan Maue | Cato Institute[/h]https://www.cato.org/people/ryan-maue



Ryan Maue is a research meteorologist and an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. He has developed and maintained a popular weather maps and climate ...
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Then why keep quoting Anthony Watts?
 
Jack Hays said:
Then that limitation is your own. Cato is not exclusively political.
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Sounds political to me:

“The mission of the Cato Institute is to originate, disseminate, and increase understanding of public policies based on the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peace. Our vision is to create free, open, and civil societies founded on libertarian principles.”

It also sounds pretty biased... they were started and continue to be funded by Koch Industries, which promarily gets their revenues from... fossil fuel use.

Cato Institute | Individual Liberty, Free Markets, and Peace

Wonder why a political think tank needs a biased weatherman?
 
Threegoofs said:
Sounds political to me:

“The mission of the Cato Institute is to originate, disseminate, and increase understanding of public policies based on the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets, and peace. Our vision is to create free, open, and civil societies founded on libertarian principles.”

It also sounds pretty biased... they were started and continue to be funded by Koch Industries, which promarily gets their revenues from... fossil fuel use.

Cato Institute | Individual Liberty, Free Markets, and Peace

Wonder why a political think tank needs a biased weatherman?
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[h=2]New study: Conservatives not fooled by “extreme weather” in media but liberals suffer imaginary droughts[/h]
Good news. There is hope for average Americans; not so much for academics.
It’s bad news for the Eco Worriers though who were hoping that constant displays of extreme weather would finally convince conservatives — a flood here, a Cat 6 there, a hottest first Sunday of Lent. It all washes over Conservatives. The weather-porn won’t convince them.
But the most interesting and novel discovery here is buried in the third paragraph from the bottom and barely mentioned. The researchers are only interested in how to “convince conservatives” and not remotely concerned that the media may be misleading a lot of the population by hyping up the weather.
[h=4]Apparently media propaganda has convinced 40% of the US population that they’ve lived through a drought that didn’t happen and 10% think they’ve lived through a hurricane that wasn’t.[/h]I graphed the differences between perceived events and real ones. Below, red columns show the percentage of people who said they had lived through droughts, tornadoes, hurricanes and floods. Blue columns show the percentage of those same people who were living in counties which NOAA said had actually experienced those events.
A lot of people think they’ve been in a drought or a hurricane than NOAA data suggests. Perceived events (red): Real events (green)
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[h=1]Experiencing extreme weather is not enough to convince climate change skeptics[/h]Ben Lyons, The University of Exeter, UK starts out assuming liberals are right about the climate which means almost every conclusion is wrong:
Political bias and partisan news reporting influence whether people report experiencing certain extreme weather events, the research suggests.
But Americans who lived in areas where a variety of extreme events were recorded — flood, tornado, hurricane, and drought — were ultimately no more likely to share the same beliefs about climate change as scientists.
Dr Ben Lyons, from the University of Exeter, who led the research, said: “”Extreme weather plays a limited long-term role in forming people’s beliefs about climate change. Instead, their views and beliefs can alter the way they perceive the weather. We have found when an extreme weather event is ambiguous, as with polar vortex and drought, people are more likely to see the event through a partisan lens. If there is grey area, people are more comfortable applying their preferred label.”
Then Lyons thinks he is testing how people perceive the weather, but he is testing keyword recognition:
The University of Exeter, University of Michigan and University of Texas research found that Republicans were less likely to report experiencing a polar vortex, while those exposed to liberal media were more likely. . . .
 
Jack Hays said:
[h=2]New study: Conservatives not fooled by “extreme weather” in media but liberals suffer imaginary droughts[/h]
Good news. There is hope for average Americans; not so much for academics.
It’s bad news for the Eco Worriers though who were hoping that constant displays of extreme weather would finally convince conservatives — a flood here, a Cat 6 there, a hottest first Sunday of Lent. It all washes over Conservatives. The weather-porn won’t convince them.
But the most interesting and novel discovery here is buried in the third paragraph from the bottom and barely mentioned. The researchers are only interested in how to “convince conservatives” and not remotely concerned that the media may be misleading a lot of the population by hyping up the weather.
[h=4]Apparently media propaganda has convinced 40% of the US population that they’ve lived through a drought that didn’t happen and 10% think they’ve lived through a hurricane that wasn’t.[/h]I graphed the differences between perceived events and real ones. Below, red columns show the percentage of people who said they had lived through droughts, tornadoes, hurricanes and floods. Blue columns show the percentage of those same people who were living in counties which NOAA said had actually experienced those events.
A lot of people think they’ve been in a drought or a hurricane than NOAA data suggests. Perceived events (red): Real events (green)
​

[h=1]Experiencing extreme weather is not enough to convince climate change skeptics[/h]Ben Lyons, The University of Exeter, UK starts out assuming liberals are right about the climate which means almost every conclusion is wrong:
Political bias and partisan news reporting influence whether people report experiencing certain extreme weather events, the research suggests.
But Americans who lived in areas where a variety of extreme events were recorded — flood, tornado, hurricane, and drought — were ultimately no more likely to share the same beliefs about climate change as scientists.
Dr Ben Lyons, from the University of Exeter, who led the research, said: “”Extreme weather plays a limited long-term role in forming people’s beliefs about climate change. Instead, their views and beliefs can alter the way they perceive the weather. We have found when an extreme weather event is ambiguous, as with polar vortex and drought, people are more likely to see the event through a partisan lens. If there is grey area, people are more comfortable applying their preferred label.”
Then Lyons thinks he is testing how people perceive the weather, but he is testing keyword recognition:
The University of Exeter, University of Michigan and University of Texas research found that Republicans were less likely to report experiencing a polar vortex, while those exposed to liberal media were more likely. . . .
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It's amazing how many people fall for what the pundits say.
 
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[h=1]Nothing Unprecedented about The Sea Surface Temperatures for Hurricane Florence’s Storm Track[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Bob Tisdale It’s been a couple of weeks since Hurricane Florence made landfall as a Category 1 storm. The weakening from a Category 4 storm must’ve really tweaked alarmists. NOAA just updated their much-adjusted ERSST.v5 sea surface temperature dataset to include September 2018 data. So let’s take a look at the September sea surface temperature…
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Gee, this could have just as appropriately been entitled, "Conservatives are deniers."
 
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[h=1]2018 U.S. tornadoes on track to be lowest ever – NOAA’s temperature trends blow a hole in “climate correlation”[/h][FONT=&quot]While claims of increased severe weather due to “climate change” aka “global warming” are thrown about by the media, with recent claims that more and more tornadoes are shifting east in the U.S., the fact of the matter is that the trend for strong tornadoes is decidedly down, according to data from NOAA. The US…
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