First Woman Graduate Of The Army Sniper School

[Luce]

Not really, I don’t base my worth as a person on my ability to kill people at long range. I do not seek actual authority myself nor do I wish to do violence on others. So my ego is not affected here

So tell me how you know that a woman can't make a proper sniper?

 

[Questerr]

Almost no one actually opposes killing people, not in the abstract anyway.

It’s funny though because I think “Catholic monarchist” is supposed to be a dig at me but your claiming I don’t oppose killing CMs? Lol silly argument

It should be “aren’t Catholic Monarchists”, obvious from the context. But expecting someone whose height of intellectual capability leads them to support theocratic dictatorships to understand something like context is a bit much.

 

[Questerr]

So tell me how you know that a woman can't make a proper sniper?

He already gave his reasoning: Women are inferior to men at everything except birth and child nurturing.

Which is why men should never be allowed to nurture children. That’s what EMN is saying.

 

[Luce]

He already gave his reasoning: Women are inferior to men at everything except birth and child nurturing.

Which is why men should never be allowed to nurture children. That’s what EMN is saying.

EMN is also saying he has never cracked a history book concerning the second world war.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It should be “aren’t Catholic Monarchists”, obvious from the context. But expecting someone whose height of intellectual capability leads them to support theocratic dictatorships to understand something like context is a bit much.

Look it’s not my fault didn’t write that correctly.

No, I do not support killing people for not holding my same political and religious views absent justification such as combatants in a just war, justly sentenced criminals or self defense. you cannot find anywhere I have ever written such a thing

 

[Questerr]

Look it’s not my fault didn’t write that correctly.

No, I do not support killing people for not holding my same political and religious views, you cannot find anywhere I have ever written such a thing

So, for instance, if a Catholic Absolute Monarchy came to power in America, you would oppose said monarchy killing people for wanting democracy and for supporting freedom of religion?

Because you’ve come on the record as supporting Franco when he did those things.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

So tell me how you know that a woman can't make a proper sniper?

I never said a woman can’t make a proper sniper. I fully recognize a woman can be a deadly sniper. I am saying that there is no advantage of having a woman sniper over a man and only drawbacks, and that men and women have different purposes in society

 

[Luce]

I never said a woman can’t make a proper sniper. I fully recognize a woman can be a deadly sniper. I am saying that there is no advantage of having a woman sniper over a man and only drawbacks, and that men and women have different purposes in society

No, men and women have different purposes in your narrow view of society.

Nobody other than you is bound by that narrow view.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

So, for instance, if a Catholic Absolute Monarchy came to power in America, you would oppose said monarchy killing people for wanting democracy and for supporting freedom of religion?

Because you’ve come on the record as supporting Franco when he did those things.

Franco did not do those things and if you’ve read what I wrote you would know I’ve made many posts where I’ve cited sources about the truth of the Franco regime and even reviewed a book by America’s premier Hispanist, professor Stanley Payne, who goes into these allegations and largely disproves them.

I do not support killing people outside of justification, which is combatants in war, judicial sentencing to death in a fair trial, or self defense

 

[Questerr]

I never said a woman can’t make a proper sniper. I fully recognize a woman can be a deadly sniper. I am saying that there is no advantage of having a woman sniper over a man and only drawbacks, and that men and women have different purposes in society

There is no advantage to men nurturing children and only drawbacks, so therefore society should never allow men to nurture children, yes?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

There is no advantage to men nurturing children and only drawbacks, so therefore society should never allow men to nurture children, yes?

It should not be man’s primary role, he should be the family’s primary defender and provider and provide an example to his children as to virtue.

However, a man has obligations to children he fathers, Society does not have an obligation to arm women and employ them in military service, nor do women have a fundamental right to serve in the military

 

[armycowboy]

It should not be man’s primary role, he should be the family’s primary defender and provider and provide an example to his children as to virtue.

However, a man has obligations to children he fathers, Society does not have an obligation to arm women and employ them in military service, nor do women have a fundamental right to serve in the military

Obviously women, who meet entrance standards, do have a fundamental right to serve. You might not like it, for some weird reason, but that doesn't mean their right to serve doesn't exist.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

There is no advantage to men nurturing children and only drawbacks, so therefore society should never allow men to nurture children, yes?

Also your false equivelance is premised on me saying women should never be allowed in the military. Obviously women can take sex appropriate military roles like unarmed auxiliaries as we had in world war 2, or the cooks and camp followers in the American revolution or the nurses that have always been present in military service

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Obviously women, who meet entrance standards, do have a fundamental right to serve. You might not like it, for some weird reason, but that doesn't mean their right to serve doesn't exist.

I indeed do not like immoral things that compromise our security. Well actually I do like it now because I want the regime to be so focused on political causes it cannot effectively engage in unjust wars.

My fiancée had a cousin in Mexico who bribed an official for her driver’s license. As far as the Mexican authorities are concerned this cousin met all the standards for a drivers license, but all standards are irrelevant because the standards are determined by people who sign off the standards. If people in the organization are demanded to sign off they sign off and hence the “standards” are met

 

[Questerr]

It should not be man’s primary role, he should be the family’s primary defender and provider and provide an example to his children as to virtue.

However, a man has obligations to children he fathers, Society does not have an obligation to arm women and employ them in military service, nor do women have a fundamental right to serve in the military

I figured you’d end up with a hypocritical stance where women aren’t allowed to be snipers because they are “naturally worse” at it than men, but men are allowed to untrue children even though they are “naturally worse”.

It’s almost as if your entire position is misogyny and women hating, but then again it is based on a book that hates women, so it shouldn’t be a surprise.

 

[armycowboy]

Also your false equivelance is premised on me saying women should never be allowed in the military. Obviously women can take sex appropriate military roles like unarmed auxiliaries as we had in world war 2, or the cooks and camp followers in the American revolution or the nurses that have always been present in military service

You were born about 50 years too late. Society has moved on from your outdated, stereotypical, misogynistic world view. What you stated is an anachronism that isn't shared by the vast majority of society. People are pointing and laughing at this garbage.

 

[Questerr]

I indeed do not like immoral things that compromise our security. Well actually I do like it now because I want the regime to be so focused on political causes it cannot effectively engage in unjust wars.

My fiancée had a cousin in Mexico who bribed an official for her driver’s license. As far as the Mexican authorities are concerned this cousin met all the standards for a drivers license, but all standards are irrelevant because the standards are determined by people who sign off the standards. If people in the organization are demanded to sign off they sign off and hence the “standards” are met

Immoral things like an absolute monarchy that destroys freedom? Or do you support that immorality?

 

[armycowboy]

I indeed do not like immoral things that compromise our security. Well actually I do like it now because I want the regime to be so focused on political causes it cannot effectively engage in unjust wars.

My fiancée had a cousin in Mexico who bribed an official for her driver’s license. As far as the Mexican authorities are concerned this cousin met all the standards for a drivers license, but all standards are irrelevant because the standards are determined by people who sign off the standards. If people in the organization are demanded to sign off they sign off and hence the “standards” are met

I'm sure this word salad made sense in your mind before you typed it out.

 

[Questerr]

Also your false equivelance is premised on me saying women should never be allowed in the military. Obviously women can take sex appropriate military roles like unarmed auxiliaries as we had in world war 2, or the cooks and camp followers in the American revolution or the nurses that have always been present in military service

But men are better cooks and camp followers right? Women are only better at men at birthing and nurturing children.

Your words.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I figured you’d end up with a hypocritical stance where women aren’t allowed to be snipers because they are “naturally worse” at it than men, but men are allowed to untrue children even though they are “naturally worse”.

It’s almost as if your entire position is misogyny and women hating, but then again it is based on a book that hates women, so it shouldn’t be a surprise.

It’s not hypocrisy. The philosophy is consistent on its own terms. You just don’t like it because you view the world through a false lens that men and women are totally equal. You also engage in false equivalence where a man’s duty to his biological children is equivelat to a paid position within the government that is presently voluntary

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'm sure this word salad made sense in your mind before you typed it out.

It makes sense to you too but you will never admit it.

 

[Questerr]

It’s not hypocrisy. The philosophy is consistent on its own terms. You just don’t like it because you view the world through a false lens that men and women are totally equal. You also engage in false equivalence where a man’s duty to his biological children is equivelat to a paid position within the government that is presently voluntary

Where is this duty found written in reality? It would seem to be voluntary as well.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

But men are better cooks and camp followers right? Women are only better at men at birthing and nurturing children.

Your words.

I didn’t write that, you just did.

 

[Questerr]

I didn’t write that, you just did.

So I won’t be able to link to you saying men are better than women at everything except birthing and nurturing children?

Oh wait, you said it in post #14:

First Woman Graduate Of The Army Sniper School

Excerpts: A Montana Army National Guard soldier has become the first woman to complete the seven-week U.S. Army Sniper Course at Fort Benning, Ga., military officials said. The intensive program trains and tests students on fieldcraft, camouflage techniques, marksmanship, concealed movement...

debatepolitics.com

 

[armycowboy]

It makes sense to you too but you will never admit it.

Seriously, go back and try to reread it. It's gibberish that I seriously doubt happened.