First Toe in the water of a run at the Presidency by Liz Cheney?

[Felis Leo]

Uhh..who is going to vote for her? No Dems will and neither will most GOP.

Unfortunately you are correct.

Presently, you cannot directly confront and criticize/attack Donald Trump and win an election as a Republican.

 

[Felis Leo]

Isn't it a sad statement that we are all so besides ourselves with joy that there is some Republican around who is not an insurrectionist mobster?

Or one who does not knowingly spread lies that our democratic elections are a sham and our Republic has no legitimacy when they lose?

Yes. It is a sad statement.

 

[Fishking]

Unfortunately you are correct.

Presently, you cannot directly confront and criticize/attack Donald Trump and win an election as a Republican.

It's also that she had made it her mission, and that is really only because of a personal grudge about Trump insulting her father.

Most voters, on either side of the aisle, really don't care about Jan 6 anymore. That's not a leading voter issue. So it's less about criticislzing Trump as it is that her claim to fame isn't helping anyone and it has her being a champion of the Dems.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

In an address at the Reagan Library last night that got a standing ovation, Liz Cheney went right after Fat Donnie and this: "These days for the most part, men are running the world and its really not going so well".

This was at the Reagan Library! Now I am sure some Radical Rightie will offer that the Reagan Library is the RINO Cathedral. Whatever.

"Men are running the world" could just as easily be a poke at Biden. And it's quite a gamble, considering she could be running against an incumbent Harris.

Many other nations have had a female leader, but very few of them were directly elected.

 

[Moon]

I would be willing to register as republican during the next primary, but I doubt I would vote for her in the general.

And that’s the thing, Democrats won’t vote for her in the general, Trump republicans won’t vote for her at all, and I doubt she has enough pull with independents to pull off a run as a third party candidate.

She’s auditioning for something, but I haven’t figured out what it is yet.

 

[Felis Leo]

It's also that she had made it her mission, and that is really only because of a personal grudge about Trump insulting her father.

Most voters, on either side of the aisle, really don't care about Jan 6 anymore. That's not a leading voter issue. So it's less about criticislzing Trump as it is that her claim to fame isn't helping anyone and it has her being a champion of the Dems.

Perhaps. But I do not think she is being insincere in her attacks on Donald Trump.

The man attacked the legitimacy of our elections because he lost and refused to engage in a peaceful transition of power. Bloody years-long civil wars were started for less than that. I do not think she is somehow wrong to point that out even if it is a political dead end.

 

[Felis Leo]

And that’s the thing, Democrats won’t vote for her in the general, Trump republicans won’t vote for her at all, and I doubt she has enough pull with independents to pull off a run as a third party candidate.

She’s auditioning for something, but I haven’t figured out what it is yet.

I hope she gets it, whatever it is. We need more conservatives in public office who do not abandon their principles to Fuhrerprinzip.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Unfortunately you are correct.

Presently, you cannot directly confront and criticize/attack Donald Trump and win an election as a Republican.

Fanatics would rather stay home (or vote for a third party, which amounts to the same thing) than vote for a Never Trumper.

But how many are really that fanatic? MOST Trumpists I am sure, are Republicans at heart. If it comes down to it, they will vote for the lesser evil. Just the way that Bernie fanatics - in the secrecy of the voting box - voted for Hillary after all.

 

[Fishking]

Perhaps. But I do not think she is being insincere in her attacks on Donald Trump.

The man attacked the legitimacy of our elections because he lost and refused to engage in a peaceful transition of power. Bloody years-long civil wars were started for less than that.

The attack on the attack on the legitimacy of our elections is not new. Not even a little. It always astounds me how the left can do things over and over again and it gets passed over and forgotten.

 

[Slartibartfast]

And that’s the thing, Democrats won’t vote for her in the general, Trump republicans won’t vote for her at all, and I doubt she has enough pull with independents to pull off a run as a third party candidate.

She’s auditioning for something, but I haven’t figured out what it is yet.

I just want sane people on both sides of the aisle.

 

[ataraxia]

Most voters, on either side of the aisle, really don't care about Jan 6 anymore.

False. Trump supporters are not most of America.

"The actions of those who forcibly entered the Capitol that day have been met with widespread and bipartisan disapproval from the American public.

Most Americans have described what happened on Jan. 6, 2021 as an insurrection and have said it was an attempt to overturn the election and the government.

Polling has shown a majority of Americans have felt democracy in the U.S. is under threat rather than secure, including most Republicans and Democrats. In polling released earlier this year, two-thirds of Americans said U.S. democracy and the rule of law is threatened.

Furthermore, there has been concern about political violence in the country. About a year after Jan. 6, 2021, two-thirds of Americans said they viewed the events of Jan. 6 as a sign of increasing political violence in America, rather than an isolated incident not related to political violence.

Ahead of the House select committee's first public hearings on its investigation into the events of Jan. 6, 2021, most Americans — 70% — think it's at least somewhat important to find out what happened on that day and who was involved."

A look at how Americans have viewed the Jan. 6 Capitol attack — CBS News poll analysis

Most have said it's important to find out what happened, but Republicans have been less likely to say so.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Moon]

I hope she gets it, whatever it is. We need more conservatives in public office who do not abandon their principles to Fuhrerprinzip.

I agree. Cheney is very principled and has never wavered from those principles even though the cost will likely be her current position.

 

[Moon]

I just want sane people on both sides of the aisle.

I fear that ship has sailed.

 

[ataraxia]

The attack on the attack on the legitimacy of our elections is not new. Not even a little. It always astounds me how the left can do things over and over again and it gets passed over and forgotten.

Lying about legitimate elections in an attempt at insurrection by a sitting US president has been unprecedented in all American history. If Trump wanted to make it to the history books, he has certainly succeeded.

 

[What if...?]

shrug...I have no idea. That's why I asked you. You watched her speech, right?

But the answers to my question could have a bearing on your question of a presidential run by her, don't you think?

Ah, the old “just asking questions” schtick.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

False. Trump supporters are not most of America.

"The actions of those who forcibly entered the Capitol that day have been met with widespread and bipartisan disapproval from the American public.

Most Americans have described what happened on Jan. 6, 2021 as an insurrection and have said it was an attempt to overturn the election and the government.

Polling has shown a majority of Americans have felt democracy in the U.S. is under threat rather than secure, including most Republicans and Democrats. In polling released earlier this year, two-thirds of Americans said U.S. democracy and the rule of law is threatened.

Furthermore, there has been concern about political violence in the country. About a year after Jan. 6, 2021, two-thirds of Americans said they viewed the events of Jan. 6 as a sign of increasing political violence in America, rather than an isolated incident not related to political violence.

Ahead of the House select committee's first public hearings on its investigation into the events of Jan. 6, 2021, most Americans — 70% — think it's at least somewhat important to find out what happened on that day and who was involved."

A look at how Americans have viewed the Jan. 6 Capitol attack — CBS News poll analysis

Most have said it's important to find out what happened, but Republicans have been less likely to say so.

www.cbsnews.com

When people cared about facts and figures "it's the economy, stupid" was a winning line for Bill Clinton (it was actually written by James Carville.)

Now it's more like "it's the visual, stupid." People don't care about facts and figures now, they care about what they saw 'with their own eyes.'

 

[Felis Leo]

The attack on the attack on the legitimacy of our elections is not new. Not even a little. It always astounds me how the left can do things over and over again and it gets passed over and forgotten.

That is true, Fishking. We have had such attacks on the legitimacy of our Federal and State elections, on our Electoral College, on Supreme Court appointments, etc., etc.. But I do not recall in living memory a Presidential candidate (and certainly not a sitting President) on the political left or right refusing to concede an election, continue to claim it was stolen without one iota of evidence, and refuse to engage in a the peaceful transition of power by whipping up a mob of angry followers to interfere with the final vote count in Congress.

The worst that can be said about the Obama Administration is that it spied on the Trump campaign to dig up whatever dirt they could. But Obama did not refuse to concede power and say that the election was stolen from Hillary by an un-American Manchurian Candidate and then declare Hillary Clinton as his rightful successor, and call up a crowd of loyal supporters to run riot in Washington D.C. and intimidate Congress. Which is basically the equivalent of what Donald Trump did.

What Trump did was unprecedented in our post-Civil War political system and should not be ignored. In a just world, at the very least, Donald Trump would have been impeached and convicted and barred from being able to run for high public office ever again.

 

[jnug]

shrug...I have no idea. That's why I asked you. You watched her speech, right?

But the answers to my question could have a bearing on your question of a presidential run by her, don't you think?

No I don't. Not two years and a few months out.

Some of you folks appear not to have read the thread title. Here, I will repeat it for ya'.

First Toe in the water of a run at the Presidency by Liz Cheney?​

There is only one way for a politician to find out where they are in this regard and that is "First toe in the water". This is just about the right time for it.

Anybody that thinks Donnie's bid for another run is still going to be alive by next year....give me some of what you are smoking. I could use a good buzz.

Now at least for me, the way to make her a pretty good alternative to DeSantis that I am not likely to vote for in a general is if 81 year old Daddy Dick decides to simply drift off to his eternal rest BEFORE she would have a chance to be standing in the doorway of the WH. That guy has some strange ideas about geopolitics as did his buddy Bombs Away Bolton.

No need for Dick to be whispering in her ear.

 

[Decypher]

Fanatics would rather stay home (or vote for a third party, which amounts to the same thing) than vote for a Never Trumper.

But how many are really that fanatic? MOST Trumpists I am sure, are Republicans at heart. If it comes down to it, they will vote for the lesser evil. Just the way that Bernie fanatics - in the secrecy of the voting box - voted for Hillary after all.

Precisely. They’ll insult Cheney now because she spoke against King Orange. But if she somehow managed to win the primary, most of the Trumpists would remember that they were actually neo-cons all along and never even voted for that other guy.

 

[Mycroft]

Ah, the old “just asking questions” schtick.

You should try asking questions. You might learn something.

 

[Channe79]

No responsible American can vote for a "Israel first" neocon like Cheney. Her family are war criminals.

 

[What if...?]

You should try asking questions. You might learn something.

You know that isn’t the point of “just asking questions.

And you know I know you know that.

 

[Mycroft]

No I don't. Not two years and a few months out.

Some of you folks appear not to have read the thread title. Here, I will repeat it for ya'.

First Toe in the water of a run at the Presidency by Liz Cheney?​

There is only one way for a politician to find out where they are in this regard and that is "First toe in the water". This is just about the right time for it.

Anybody that thinks Donnie's bid for another run is still going to be alive by next year....give me some of what you are smoking. I could use a good buzz.

Now at least for me, the way to make her a pretty good alternative to DeSantis that I am not the likely to vote for in a general is if 81 year old Daddy Dick decides to simply drift off to his eternal rest BEFORE she would have a chance to be standing in the doorway of the WH. That guy has some strange ideas about geopolitics as did his buddy Bombs Away Bolton.

No need for Dick to be whispering in her ear.

So...you didn't watch her speech?

Never mind.

You and your thread are dismissed.

 

[jnug]

So...you didn't watch her speech?

Never mind.

You and your thread are dismissed.

You still don't get it do ya'

 

[longview]

Uhh..who is going to vote for her? No Dems will and neither will most GOP.

I would! If nominated, I do not see anything that would stop me from voting for Liz Cheney at this point.