First sweeping federal gun crime report in 20 years released

[Lursa]

You obviously don't know what the **** you're talking about (me) "you like most anti-gun people", and I don't intend this to become yet another worthless "discussion" of every trope put forth by gun nuts which always drowns out rational debate.

My response preceded your edit. But I'll conclude this response to your screed with, yes "everyone else" is more important than "feelings". That's kinda the point of having a "government", e.g. "common defense and general welfare."

Come back when you're serious.

I was very serious and you like every other person I post that for also refuses to address it, about the value of people's lives. So...you are indeed a member of that club. With all the legal gun owners in this country...what makes you think we dont qualify for protection under 'common defense and general welfare?'

 

[NWRatCon]

Guns are valuable property. Decent, reliable handguns are expensive, $400+. Who leaves them out in plain sight? At home or in a car?

Apparently several thousand people a year.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Guns are valuable property. Decent, reliable handguns are expensive, $400+. Who leaves them out in plain sight? At home or in a car?

Exactly, but people do stupid shit all the time. There is a lawyer in Brazil dead today because he got into a MRI machine with a loaded firearm.

With most car break ins, they are looking for guns. For example, last year I parked our vehicle at a trailhead and went for a 5 mile run on the trails on the south side of town. Got back to my car and the front passenger window was bashed in. I had left my wallet in the center console (because I didn't want to carry it with me while running), they didn't take it. They pulled it out as they were digging through the car, but they didn't take it or any of the credit cards in it. They were looking for a gun and they would not bash car windows in and dig through cars looking for guns if they didn't routinely find them.

New survey confirms majority of guns used by criminals are taken from people's homes and cars - Behind the Badge

Sadly, robberies, aggravated assaults, gang shootings, and a myriad of gun crimes are an every day occurrence in cities across the country. A day doesn’t go by when you can’t read, see, or hear about a gun-related crime on the news. Of course it begs the question, how do these crooks get guns...

behindthebadge.com

 

[Lursa]

Apparently several thousand people a year.

Leave them out in plain sight in cars? Source?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Leave them out in plain sight in cars?

Yeah, or unsecured under the seat or in the glove box.

 

[NWRatCon]

I was very serious and you like every other person I post that for also refuses to address it, about the value of people's lives. So...you are indeed a member of that club. With all the legal gun owners in this country...what makes you think we dont qualify for protection under 'common defense and general welfare?'

If you consider that for, say, 30 seconds (I'll wait), you'll recognize your post doesn't make sense. I do value gun owners' lives, which is why I think we need to have comprehensive, rational gun laws. None of my suggestions would in any way degrade that protection. Which is why I, as a lifetime gun owner, don't fear them.

 

[Lursa]

Exactly, but people do stupid shit all the time. There is a lawyer in Brazil dead today because he got into a MRI machine with a loaded firearm.

With most car break ins, they are looking for guns. For example, last year I parked our vehicle at a trailhead and went for a 5 mile run on the trails on the south side of town. Got back to my car and the front passenger window was bashed in. I had left my wallet in the center console (because I didn't want to carry it with me while running), they didn't take it. They pulled it out as they were digging through the car, but they didn't take it or any of the credit cards in it. They were looking for a gun and they would not bash car windows in and dig through cars looking for guns if they didn't routinely find them.

New survey confirms majority of guns used by criminals are taken from people's homes and cars - Behind the Badge

Sadly, robberies, aggravated assaults, gang shootings, and a myriad of gun crimes are an every day occurrence in cities across the country. A day doesn’t go by when you can’t read, see, or hear about a gun-related crime on the news. Of course it begs the question, how do these crooks get guns...

behindthebadge.com

Scanned it, didnt see reference to leaving guns out in plain sight in cars? Can you quote it?

We all know criminals break into cars for valuables including guns, that doesnt mean any of those are left out in plain sight. I used to be a park ranger and have to deal with it.

 

[Lursa]

Yeah, or unsecured under the seat or in the glove box.

Moving the goal posts...your original was called out because it's inflammatory and inaccurate out of convenience for your argument. IMO that's bad faith posting.

 

[NWRatCon]

Leave them out in plain sight in cars? Source?

In cities that report crime data to the FBI:

On average, at least one gun is stolen from a car every 15 minutes.

A decade ago, less than a quarter of gun thefts were from cars; in 2020, over half were.

 

[Lursa]

If you consider that for, say, 30 seconds (I'll wait), you'll recognize your post doesn't make sense. I do value gun owners' lives, which is why I think we need to have comprehensive, rational gun laws. None of my suggestions would in any way degrade that protection.

Very wrong and I've prove so in the past, for example with 10 round magazine restrictions. I've given quoted and video examples. So...you are not prepared for that argument.

 

[Lursa]

In cities that report crime data to the FBI:

On average, at least one gun is stolen from a car every 15 minutes.

A decade ago, less than a quarter of gun thefts were from cars; in 2020, over half were.

You also moved the goal posts. He said left out in plain sight.

 

[Lursa]

In cities that report crime data to the FBI:

On average, at least one gun is stolen from a car every 15 minutes.

A decade ago, less than a quarter of gun thefts were from cars; in 2020, over half were.

Btw, I have always considered keeping a revolver in my vehicles, locked properly. I dont care if it 'might' get stolen if I felt it would just ONCE save my life. My life is my responsibility. The govt, the cops, cant do it.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Moving the goal posts...your original was called out because it's inflammatory and inaccurate out of convenience for your argument. IMO that's bad faith posting.

I am sorry you find the truth inflammatory. People indeed just leave them in plain site in their vehicles.

Police have seen a significant increase in guns being stolen from vehicles parked in and around entertainment districts.

For about the past month, officers have taken dozens of reports of cars being broken into mostly on Friday and Saturday nights around Westport, the Crossroads, 18th and Vine and a few at the Power & Light District.

“It’s a crime of opportunity,” Sergeant Todd Templeton said. “From what we can tell, they’re not rummaging through the cars looking for valuables. They’re seeing a gun in plain sight, breaking a window, taking the gun and leaving.”

Police warn of guns being stolen from cars parked in entertainment districts

Our mission: To protect and serve with professionalism, honor and integrity. Call 911 for emergencies; 816-234-5111 for non-emergencies.

www.kcpd.org

 

[NWRatCon]

New survey confirms majority of guns used by criminals are taken from people’s homes and cars (Behind the Badge)​

"where did they get the guns? The answer is simple. They got them from people who had legally purchased them but didn’t secure them.

Most of the firearms used by prisoners during the commission of their crimes were stolen, either by the crook themselves or bought from someone else who had stolen it.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the problem. Too many gun owners are not securing their firearms. How bad is the problem?

Well, the numbers aren’t exact but in the last decade over 2 million guns were reported stolen. Estimates range anywhere from 237,000 to 380,000 firearms are stolen every year from gun owners. Gun theft is also believed to be significantly underreported. Most states don’t require gun owners to report when their guns have been stolen."

This is coming from the cops, not gun control advocates.

 

[Lursa]

Police warn of guns being stolen from cars parked in entertainment districts

Our mission: To protect and serve with professionalism, honor and integrity. Call 911 for emergencies; 816-234-5111 for non-emergencies.

www.kcpd.org

That's anecdotal. "From what we can tell"....no one has to rummage thru a car to open up a glove box and steal a gun with a trigger lock, cable lock, etc.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

That's anecdotal. "From what we can tell"....no one has to rummage thru a car to open up a glove box and steal a gun with a trigger lock, cable lock, etc.

It's the police department making the claim. I just gave you a source of a police department in a major city with a high crime rate, stating exactly what I stated about guns in vehicles being stolen. At this point it seems as though you don't want to accept reality.

 

[Lursa]

It's the police department making the claim. I just gave you a source of a police department in a major city with a high crime rate, stating exactly what I stated about guns in vehicles being stolen. At this point it seems as though you don't want to accept reality.

And they didnt know they were in plain sight...I gave you an example of why they dont have to tear a car apart to find guns locked to rails under the seat or in the glove box. I was a park ranger in Manhattan for 3 yrs. I took these reports.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

And they didnt know they were in plain sight...I gave you an example of why they dont have to tear a car apart to find guns locked to rails under the seat or in the glove box. I was a park ranger in Manhattan for 3 yrs. I took these reports.

Here is another example: "Lt. Whited highlights the alarming number of guns stolen from unlocked vehicles with guns just sitting in plain sight inside a vehicle, practically asking to be stolen.", that one is in Nashville, are all these police departments just making it up?

Gun Theft In America

Gun theft is on the rise in the U.S. and it's increasingly becoming an issue where guns are stolen from vehicles. If you travel with firearms, you need to make sure they're locked up when unattended.

truckvault.com

 

[Lursa]

Here is another example: "Lt. Whited highlights the alarming number of guns stolen from unlocked vehicles with guns just sitting in plain sight inside a vehicle, practically asking to be stolen.", that one is in Nashville, are all these police departments just making it up?

Gun Theft In America

Gun theft is on the rise in the U.S. and it's increasingly becoming an issue where guns are stolen from vehicles. If you travel with firearms, you need to make sure they're locked up when unattended.

truckvault.com

Again I call BS on that quote. If anyone does that, it's exceedingly rare...guns COST $$. How is that verified? Do you think the person making the report would admit that? It's not even legal.

Your source is a company selling gun vaults for God's sake.

 

[NWRatCon]

You also moved the goal posts. He said left out in plain sight.

I had a local report of 8 over the last weekend. All visible and unsecured. Police made a public announcement about it. Not posting it as it would identify my location. But pretending it is rare is just disingenuous. You've admitted to leaving a gun unsecured. That's a problem.

 

[NWRatCon]

Very wrong and I've prove so in the past, for example with 10 round magazine restrictions. I've given quoted and video examples. So...you are not prepared for that argument.

I cannot address your personal paranoia. I'm not a licensed clinician.

 

[NWRatCon]

Again I call BS on that quote. If anyone does that, it's exceedingly rare...guns COST $$. How is that verified? Do you think the person making the report would admit that? It's not even legal.

Your source is a company selling gun vaults for God's sake.

In sum, "if I don't like your point, I will simply not credit it".

And to think, I've defended you in other threads...

 

[Lursa]

I had a local report of 8 over the last weekend. All visible and unsecured. Police made a public announcement about it.

Not buying it. Source, in cars?

Not posting it as it would identify my location. But pretending it is rare is just disingenuous. You've admitted to leaving a gun unsecured. That's a problem.

When did I admit to leaving a gun unsecured in my car? And are you going to start making cops leave their guns at the station because their kids get hold of their unsecured guns in their cars or homes (I've got examples of both) where their kids got them and killed themselves or others? That's 'uncommon' (but sadly not even rare)...are we going to make new laws for them?

 

[Lursa]

I cannot address your personal paranoia. I'm not a licensed clinician.

Ah, personal attacks, so then you've run out of road.

 

[Lursa]

In sum, "if I don't like your point, I will simply not credit it".

And to think, I've defended you in other threads...

It was a self-serving unverified quote from a gun safe manufacturer. Would you believe it?