Can you please list where any neocon said we should go to war? I just want to see who you are talking about.
You can most certainly start a shooting war by trying to arm your enemies and enacting sanctions on a country with a decent size military.
Sen. McCain: Ukraine Needs U.S. Military Aid After Crimea Vote - Washington Wire - WSJ
The Crimean referendum on joining Russia is a “done deal,” and the U.S. should focus on pressuring Russian President Vladimir Putin and providing military assistance to Ukraine, Sen. John McCain said Sunday.
Republican Hawks Already Have a War Plan for ISIS, Ukraine, and Obama - The Daily Beast
Republicans Launch New Push To Arm Ukraine - The Daily Beast
President Clinton and President Obama Promised to Protect Disarmed Ukraine - The Rush Limbaugh Show
I mentioned yesterday that Bill Clinton in 1994 (and then the Obama administration in 2009, reaffirmed it) gave official diplomatic assurances to Ukraine that their borders would be safe in exchange for the Ukrainians gutting their army and completely doing away with their sizable nuclear deterrent.
This has not been reported other than the UK Daily Mail has now published an article that reminds us that that wasn't all Obama did for Ukraine. But the point is... Because the media isn't telling you, I want to stress this again. As you're watching what happened, as you watch us act outraged that Putin would do this, there were the number of signatories to this agreement. The UK, John Major and the Ukrainian prime minister. It was Boris Yeltsin for the Russian Federation, and Bill Clinton, and there was the ChiCom leader.
There were five of them, and they signed. They promised. They promised Ukraine that their borders would not be attacked, that their sovereignty would not be challenged, and that they would be considered for admission to the European Union. There was all this stuff dangling carrots if they would just gut their army and do away with their nuclear deterrent -- and Ukraine did. That agreement was reaffirmed in 2009 by Barack Obama.
Getting Rid of Nukes: The Trilateral Statement at 20 Years | Brookings Institution
McNasty?
There is a way to override the veto. The measure (whatever it is that was vetoed) can be brought before the entire general assembly of the UN, and all it needs is a simple majority to override the veto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_veto_power
Did he say we should go to war? Or did he say we should support Ukraine? And in what capacity?
You have no idea what you're talking about.This has not been reported other than the UK Daily Mail has now published an article that reminds us that that wasn't all Obama did for Ukraine. But the point is... Because the media isn't telling you, I want to stress this again. As you're watching what happened, as you watch us act outraged that Putin would do this, there were the number of signatories to this agreement. The UK, John Major and the Ukrainian prime minister. It was Boris Yeltsin for the Russian Federation, and Bill Clinton, and there was the ChiCom leader.
Did you notice the questionmark in my post?
Can you read between the lines?
McNasty offers a military solution to just about every 'problem' the US has, but one would expect that from a Naval Academy graduate, even one 5th from last. He is a war monger if there ever was one.
Well I know to YOU...read between the lines means don't bother with evidence
So please. Tell me. Did he call for WAR? Or did he say we should give support? And what kind?
Simpleχity;1064848475 said:A Right-wing conspiracy? Support for arming Ukraine is wide-ranging and bi-partisan...
Obama 'may supply weapons to Ukraine' (has sent trainers and non-lethal items)
Bipartisan group of senators push Obama to help arm Ukraine (Congress has already allocated the funds)
Preserving Ukraine’s Independence: What the United States and NATO Must Do (high level Clinton and Obama appointees recommend sending arms)
All former US ambassadors to Ukraine. All former NATO commanders. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter. US Joint Chiefs of Staff. New US Joint Chief Chairman General Dunsford.
July 21, 2015
So what’s the No. 1 threat to the United States? “I’d have to say it is Russia,” Milley said in response to Sen. Joe Manchin this morning. “Russia is the only country on earth that retains a nuclear capability to destroy the United States, so it’s an existential threat.”
To deter Russia and reassure allies, Milley said, “additional ground capabilities are necessary” in Europe. He also favors providing “lethal defensive equipment” to Ukraine, Milley said in response to questions from SASC chairman John McCain. Overall, Milley said, while we can’t predict Russian intentions, their track record of aggression — Estonia 2007, Georgia 2008, Ukraine and Crimea 2014 — suggests we need to be prepared to face a nation-state threat.
That is not how the those with their lips planted on the cocks of the military industrial complex are presenting it.Simpleχity;1064848475 said:You have no idea what you're talking about.
The 1994 document was the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. No one promised to guarantee Ukraine's security, only to respect her borders. There is no legal obligation of military assistance on its parties.
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That is not how the those with their lips planted on the cocks of the military industrial complex are presenting it.
Well I know to YOU...read between the lines means don't bother with evidence
So please. Tell me. Did he call for WAR? Or did he say we should give support? And what kind?
I wonder if one of the overwhelming pieces of evidence was the twitter post from a Russian separatists minutes after the plane crashed wherein he said something to the effect of, "We warned you not to fly in our air space." A tweet that was deleted just a few minutes after reports first started to come out that a passenger jet had just lost contact over the airspace in Ukraine.
It is also quite shameful the structure of the UN Security Council that a single member can veto such an investigation and there is no way to override that veto.
Did anyone in this site not see HD coming to the defense of Russia and blaming the U.S. with another conspiracy? Anyone?
Maybe you should just stick to your nukes at the twin towers bit. That one is funnier
Just a hunch, gents, based upon past performance.
What's really cool about the MH17 incident is that it fell (no pun) on the anniversary of TWA800. :shock:
He spoke belligerent words. He acted in a bellicose manner. And that is a well established pattern for that particular 70 something year old politician.
Not cool at all. Nothing cool whatsoever about shooting down civilians.
I remember a certain Russian leader threatening little Denmark with nukes lately if it didn't do what Russia wanted. I'd call that pretty belligerent
Russia threatens Denmark with nuclear weapons if it tries to join Nato defence shield - Europe - World - The Independent
I did not mean to say that McNasty was the only bellicose man in the world, no.
Russia threatens Denmark? Even if that is true, the US does way more than threaten--it delivers. In multiple countries around the world, we deliver "shock and awe" from the sky at least weekly. War is us.
That is not how the those with their lips planted on the cocks of the military industrial complex are presenting it.
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