You see, this is the problem I have with discussions like this: here we have a practicing Muslim, integrated and behaving in a way that all those anti-Muslim posters insist modern, westernised Muslims should behave, and what happens? A slip of the tongue, or a poor choice of words and apparently we're seeing behind the curtain at something dark and sinister. Is he really a crypto-fundy? Forget a career of service, a track record of fighting extremism or a history of working with colleagues across every social grouping. "He said 'Uncle Tom'! What a deplorable individual!" And apparently the PC language police is a phenomenon of the Left. Not round here it isn't.
I just always thought of religious people as kind of conservative. I wouldn't expect a self-proclaimed Christian to belong to a socialist organisation, either.
Apparently I've been making a wrong assumption.
I remember when I joined DP, I'd often see comments referring to President Obama as a Muslim. He's not, but I asked numerous times if there would be something wrong with him being a Muslim in their eyes if he was. I never got an answer to that. Now the bigotry and hatred of all Muslims is very much evident in certain posts on DP, as displayed here, some don't even try to hide it anymore.
So I'll ask again to those participating in the thread who have a problem with this. What exactly is wrong with being appointed Mayor of London when you are a Muslim?
We live in a country that has moved away from religion and a majority of the population would call themselves either agnostic or atheist. For me in an ideal world the major of London would be a progressive who is not restricted by his beliefs.
Considering your Monarch holds the title of Supreme Governor of the Church of England and your Prime Minister is a Christian who referred to Britain as a Christian Country only recently, it appears that they have not got the memo yet :lol:
No, I am ready, prepared.. And I know which side I'm on..
What do you base your assumption on? Do you have any *facts* that support your speculation?
What makes you think Khan is really more Muslim than many Christians in Britain are Christians -- which means hardly, except formally?
I don't know Khan well enough to really know what kind of person he is. But when it's about Westernized Muslims like Özdemir in Germany, it's so friggin obvious that he's just a normal Westernized guy who just formally happens to be Muslim, but not pious in any way, who will *always* choose loyalty to his party platform over loyalty to other Muslims he politically disagrees with, any time of the day.
These "Muslims stick together" talk just becomes a conspiracy theory in cases like this. Some Muslims don't define their identity primarily by their religious affiliation; they're not any more "Muslim" than most secular Christians in Europe are "Christian" -- and many other defining factors have priority for them, religion being just one among many, as it should be.
Sure - FACT: Khan has gone out of his way to provide legal defense to Islamist extremists, including one imprisoned in Guantanamo. If someone was running for mayor who'd given defense to various British skinheads guilty of beating up Pakistanis, then you'd be hollering from the rooftops that this person was unfit to run as mayor. Note that Khan has not defended any skinheads, either - he defends his own.
Khan has referred to moderate Muslims as "Uncle Toms" - how is that a good thing?
I'm Indian, so I have a lot more interaction with Pakistanis than you do. My mother was born in Lahore, Pakistan's oldest city. I have a pretty good knowledge of Pakistani culture and political behavior.
Britain is theocratic in name but secular by nature (unlike the USA which is the exact opposite).Considering your Monarch holds the title of Supreme Governor of the Church of England and your Prime Minister is a Christian who referred to Britain as a Christian Country only recently, it appears that they have not got the memo yet :lol:
Links please, and you being an Indian is not a scholarly source.
Links for what in particular? And German guy's personal opinion doesn't make for a scholarly source either, so don't play glass-half-empty/glass-half-full with me.
Would you like links to how Islamists treat homosexuals? Would you like links to incidents of violence against homosexuals by Islamists living in the West?
So my point is, the more that Islamic views are legitimized - including the intolerant onces - then the more rights of particular groups will be put at risk. After all, LGBT demographics are not multiplying as fast as Muslim demographics are. The new mayor of London was born as one of eight children - that's pretty typical.
No, as a gay man who has lived in the middle east, I know how they are treated. I merely asked for a link to prove that the new mayor has defended terrorist in his profession as a lawyer, chill out.
Oh wait, here's more - a tweet from Nasser Butt, a Muslim from the Ahmadi sect of Islam - a sect which Mr Khan insists does not deserve to be allowed to call itself Muslim
https://twitter.com/buttnasser/status/729567455874424832
You see, Mr Sadiq Khan considers some sects of Islam to be heretics - as do a lot of Pakistanis
We live in a country that has moved away from religion and a majority of the population would call themselves either agnostic or atheist. For me in an ideal world the major of London would be a progressive who is not restricted by his beliefs.
Britain is theocratic in name but secular by nature (unlike the USA which is the exact opposite).
Oh wait, here's more - a tweet from Nasser Butt, a Muslim from the Ahmadi sect of Islam - a sect which Mr Khan insists does not deserve to be allowed to call itself Muslim
https://twitter.com/buttnasser/status/729567455874424832
You see, Mr Sadiq Khan considers some sects of Islam to be heretics - as do a lot of Pakistanis
If you had not included the sarcasm, I would have bothered to read your links, oh and a blog is not a scholarly source. Try again? Without the sarcasm
Does it bother you more that he is a Muslim rather than a Christian though like it clearly does others? Would a Christian Mayor of London be scrutinised as a result of his religious beliefs in the same way as Khan is and has been? Look at the thread title here for instance. "First Muslim mayor of Londonistan". "Londonistan"? How do you feel about that? Do you believe that idiotic nonsense has any bearing on reality at all?
I took a brief look through a thread over in the EU Forum that was titled "Europe will soon have more Muslims than Christians." The suggestion (at least from the article) is that it's not because there are too many Muslims, it is because Christians are generally less practising these days.
convicted ones?.......................He's defended Guantanamo detainees, ..................
convicted ones?
The seeds were sown with Khan’s now-former in-laws. During London’s ’90s Islamist heyday, Khan’s brother-in-law Makbool Javaid was affiliated and listed as a spokesman to the now-banned terrorist group al-Muhajiroun, founded by the hate preacher Omar Bakri Muhammad, and then led by the infamous fanatic Anjem Choudary. I knew of Makbool back then, too. His brothers were colleagues of mine, affiliated to my former extremist organization, Hizb ut-Tahrir. Through such connections Khan ingratiated himself in the London Islamist scene. In 2003, he appeared at a conference alongside Sajeel Abu Ibrahim, a member of that same banned al-Muhajiroun.
The Secret Life of Sadiq Khan, London's First Muslim Mayor - The Daily Beast
I remember when I joined DP, I'd often see comments referring to President Obama as a Muslim. He's not, but I asked numerous times if there would be something wrong with him being a Muslim in their eyes if he was. I never got an answer to that. Now the bigotry and hatred of all Muslims is very much evident in certain posts on DP, as displayed here, some don't even try to hide it anymore.
So I'll ask again to those participating in the thread who have a problem with this. What exactly is wrong with being appointed Mayor of London when you are a Muslim?
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