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Final jobs report before Election Day shows US employers added 661,000 workers in September

Conservative said:
So you don't like this poll so you ignore it? Last I checked economic policy is what puts food on the table, roof overhead, and clothes on one's back. Over 50% from a conglomerate of polls during a pandemic destroys your narrative
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Part-time burger flipping seasonal jobs
 
Jonsa said:
so four fifths of Americans would get more money in their pockets, but Biden's plan sucks because it raises taxes on the top 20% of income earners.

Perhaps you should consider how consumer dependent the global economy actually is.
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If you believe that is the only people who will see their taxes raised you are truly naive as we already know how gullible you are
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Part-time burger flipping seasonal jobs
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No, Obama created more of those than any President in history but those jobs were celebrated when you focused on the U-3, That celebration was destroyed when the U-6 was posted recognizing the under employed
 
Conservative said:
That is the way personal responsibility works, who do you blame for Trump getting the virus? Who do you think he blames? You keep blaming someone else for your own failures and one of these days you are going to realize what a waste of time and effort you have put into this issue and how poor your results are. Accept responsibility and make something out of your own life
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These are not genuine adults you're dealing with. During the Polio Epidemic, and I was a victim, 'The Greatest Generation' did not blame President Eisenhower or any of his predecessors.. Instead they created programs like 'The March of Dimes' where celebrities and others volunteered their time and efforts until a vaccine was discovered in 1955. It's inventor, the tireless Jonas Salk, did not patent this vaccine because, like 'the sun', he said it rightly belonged to the people.

Now 'The Stupidest Generation' wants the President to invent a vaccine. prevent people from becoming ill and somehow fulfill all their needs and desires, while keeping them safe from all the perils that nature, or the Chinese, have designed.

It is not surprising that they'll look to Socialism, Communism or Fascism to secure their needs and guarantee that, somehow, these 'isms' will secure their safety.
 
rahl said:
Sorry, but it’s objective reality.

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You may be pleased that the great Thomas Sowell refers to people like yourself in the first couple of paragraphs. The MSM is just as crooked now as it was then.

Do Facts Matter? | RealClearPolitics

Abraham Lincoln said,
www.realclearpolitics.com www.realclearpolitics.com

And you can see it all here on video in their own words.
You've been lied to again, and should be pissed off about it.
 
rahl said:
strawman. I never said obama was a genius. I simply and correctly pointed out that nothing changed under trump. EVERY economic metric remained on the same unchanging trend line after he took office.
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LOL, ah, yes, the "trends". Spread out over 10-12 years subtle changes get buried. An Obamaphile's dearest trend. UE 4.6% under Obama - 3.7% under Trump - an almost 25% improvement - but just a "trend" right?

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The "trend in Obama's last year - essentially flat. 4.9% to 4.7%. Trumps first year 4.7% - 4.1% better -12% improvement.
 
Fred C Dobbs II said:
You may be pleased that the great Thomas Sowell refers to people like yourself in the first couple of paragraphs. The MSM is just as crooked now as it was then.

Do Facts Matter? | RealClearPolitics

Abraham Lincoln said,
www.realclearpolitics.com www.realclearpolitics.com

And you can see it all here on video in their own words.
You've been lied to again, and should be pissed off about it.
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Lol I just gave you the congressional voting record for every single bill from 2001-2007 attempting to regulate Fanny and Freddy. Every single one of them was killed by republicans.
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, ah, yes, the "trends". Spread out over 10-12 years subtle changes get buried. An Obamaphile's dearest trend. UE 4.6% under Obama - 3.7% under Trump - an almost 25% improvement - but just a "trend" right?

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The "trend in Obama's last year - essentially flat. 4.9% to 4.7%. Trumps first year 4.7% - 4.1% better -12% improvement.
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The data doesn’t care about your ideology. Every single economic metric remained on the same unchanging trend line from 2010-pandemic. NOTHING at all changed under trump. I’m sorry. You refuted your own claim lol.
 
rahl said:
The data doesn’t care about your ideology. Every single economic metric remained on the same unchanging trend line from 2010-pandemic. NOTHING at all changed under trump. I’m sorry.
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I just cited data. RELEVANT Data. The Trend from 2016 to 2019. What happened a decade ago means squat. Numbers driven by the early activity from therecovery are distortions not treads.
 
Bullseye said:
I just cited data. RELEVANT Data. The Trend from 2016 to 2019. What happened a decade ago means squat. Numbers driven by the early activity from therecovery are distortions not treads.
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The data you cited shows a steady, unchanging trend from 2010 till the pandemic lol. Which is why I pointed out you just refuted your own claims
 
rahl said:
The data you cited shows a steady, unchanging trend from 2010 till the pandemic lol. Which is why I pointed out you just refuted your own claims
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No, it doesn't. Nor should it. Trump inherited the economy as it stood in 2017 not 2010 - by the way why do you use 2010? Obama became President in 2009. Hiding some "trends"? :LOL:
 
Conservative said:
Pretty chart, any idea what it means? Suppose you are going to give Obama credit from the day he took office not the pre recession numbers with Democrats in control of the Congress thus the purse strings and legislative process?

Wonder if this resonates


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The S&P 500 hit a record high on Monday as investors cheered strong earnings and progress on U.S.-China trade. The S&P 500 rose 0.6% to 3,039.42, closing above 3,027.98, the record set on July 26. The Dow Jones Industrial Average gained 0.5%, or 132.66 points to 27,090.72. The Nasdaq Composite climbed 1% to 8,325.99.Oct 28, 2019
S&P 500 hits fresh all-time high, boosted by strong earnings
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Deflection #1
 
Conservative said:
You still don't get it do you, the difference between the Official rate the U-3 and the U-6. This just goes to show that liberal compassion is just rhetoric. it isn't compassionate to create part time jobs for economic reasons and dependence on liberal social spending. If you got away from your bubble you would realize that

I know this really is hard for you to understand but Obama took office in January 2009, Democrats controlled the purse strings and legislative process from January 2007 thus generated the 146 million employed along with Bush. You want to ignore the shovel ready jobs stimulus passed in January 2009, signed in mid February 2009, when Employment was 142 million, by the end of 2009 that stimulus took employment down to 138 million, and in 2010 it was still down to 139 million, so much for your successful claims of the Obama economic policies
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Deflection #2
 
Conservative said:
Is there something in the liberal DNA that prevents the left from reviewing context before making posts or is it simply the bottom line that matters and not the context of that bottom line?

whether it be the Coronavirus results showing deaths instead of recoveries and ignoring the healthcare industry response in this country or

whether it is simply the U-3 that matters which includes total jobs including part time jobs for economic reasons, people who wanted full time jobs but couldn't find them vs the U-6 which shows the total unemployed PLUS under employed

Whether it is the deficits or the debt when deficit reduction is more important than debt reduction

The left leaning people in this country live in a bubble showing the true liberal compassion, NONE!! Is it compassionate the create dependence? Is it compassionate to create massive debt by destroying incentive? Is it compassionate to make people stay home and pay them not to work

Doubt I will ever get a response from you but the reality is liberalism is a fraud and supporters although maybe good people buy the leftwing rhetoric and ignore the results
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is he going for another one? OH YES HE IS!!! Deflection #3

....and the crowd goes wild!!!

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Conservative said:
So Trump has the Coronavirus and apparently is recovering like the almost 7 million, so finally you got it right, he is blaming the right person for contracting the disease, HIMSELF

China did unleash the virus or where do you think it came from? Does it matter at this point? People are contracting the disease and recovering including the President
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It stopped mattering a while ago, but just as recently as the debate, he blamed it on China again. No one is debating its origins, but that doesn't change the response here.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Deflection #1
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You really don't like being challenged do you? Notification just data and facts that you want to ignore

You don't seem to have the maturity to admit that you are wrong! The data doesn't support your comments therefore you ignore it what is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty?

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ElChupacabra said:
It stopped mattering a while ago, but just as recently as the debate, he blamed it on China again. No one is debating its origins, but that doesn't change the response here.
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So did your claims of trump's poor reaction in January and February! The response in this country Is the responsibility of the governor, the mayor, and individuals! For some reason you are so loyal to the liberal ideology that logic and common sense doesn't exist

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Conservative said:
You really don't like being challenged do you? Notification just data and facts that you want to ignore

You don't seem to have the maturity to admit that you are wrong! The data doesn't support your comments therefore you ignore it what is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty?

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I have no issue being challenged; it's the point of a debate site. So do you think the data in the charts is wrong?
 
Conservative said:
So did your claims of trump's poor reaction in January and February! The response in this country Is the responsibility of the governor, the mayor, and individuals! For some reason you are so loyal to the liberal ideology that logic and common sense doesn't exist

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Nope, you're just too obtuse to understand the role a president can play in terms of leading a nation through crisis, so you resort to the same tired line of the responsibility being on governors and mayors. No one is contesting where the responsibility lies, but rather what a president can do to support initiatives to combat a pandemic rather than fracturing the response.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I have no issue being challenged; it's the point of a debate site. So do you think the data in the charts is wrong?
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Data without context is the problem, no the data isn't wrong, but the context is missing along with real liberal compassion. You cannot seem to grasp even what liberalism proposes. Is it truly the role of liberalism to create dependence? I find someone like you who claims to be in the private sector totally clueless when it comes to incentive and the role of the federal gov't in promoting dependence.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Nope, you're just too obtuse to understand the role a president can play in terms of leading a nation through crisis, so you resort to the same tired line of the responsibility being on governors and mayors. No one is contesting where the responsibility lies, but rather what a president can do to support initiatives to combat a pandemic rather than fracturing the response.
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The role of the President is distorted as you continue to ignore WHO and CDC, but you have no problem diverting from the Biden and Democratic Response in January/February or even the governor of NY and NJ's after the March 1 CDC directive. There is a loyalty you have for liberalism that is unhealthy
 
I find your conclusion of liberalism creating dependence a completely off base; as is your conclusions on incentives. Being in favor of certain social programs does not by any stretch of the imagination means "creating dependence", or stifling incentive. You have the example of just about every industrialized nation to refute this absurd claim. It's as if you got stuck on Reagan's welfare queen nonsense and never let it go.
 
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