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Is that what Big Brother told you to think?
Ah yes - armed militias and bombing people into democracy, all the trademarks of
a U.S. led color revolution.
It only took a complete violation of the Constitution of the United States, a violation of the War powers resolution and about 6 months longer than it took to capture Baghdad but the US commander in chief took us to war without congressional consent and promised us it would take weeks rather than months.
Now that rebel forces are in the Libyan capital do we pretend we didn’t kill civilians and that everyone will live happily ever after in Libya while pretending the wars that congress approved were an evil blight on America’s reputation while this war is just and good?
Obama had no approval from congress, claimed that the WPR was constitutional and that his declaration of war was consistent with the WPR. This pretty much seals the deal for Presidential power to go to war with whomever a president wants, for whatever reason he wants, for however long he wants and if congress has a problem with it, let them pull funding from the troops. Great victory indeed.Actually the War Powers Resolution is probably unconstitutional, and Obama had the grudging approval of Congress for the mission. Our role was quite limited, not a single American life was lost, and unlike Iraq, this was a popular revoution against a tyrant who actually DID support terrorism. Oh yeah, and we kept the Gaddafi from slaughtering the rebels as Assad is now doing in Syria.
Hard to imagine a better outcome ... so far. Now we have to hope that the reports are true and that, if so, the new government represents an upgrade.
already 2 threads on this topic tonight. This is #3.
It is good to know that we are the ones who killed civilians rather than the dictator isn’t it?
Oh, Gaddafi isn’t dead? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
We have no way of controlling what type of government takes over? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
We spent nearly a trillion dollars? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
We killed thousands of civilians with our bombs? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
You want some of me? I'll school you the right way boy.
Gaddafis forces were slaughtering and raping civilians this whole time... I don't know where you were when this was happening.
even if it did take long.
Good for the people of Libya for getting rid of him and I wish them the best...but it's hard for me to see how our involvement was a net positive.
People would still view it as American involvement...but without the benefits, efficiency, and ease with which the US military could topple the Gbagbo junta.
I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusion that this would lead to a democratic government or necessarily better lives for Libyan people. I agree no one would miss Gaddafi, except for perhaps those who benefited the most under him.This is good news. I'm glad it ended up with victory on the rebels' side, even if it did take long. If it was the other way around and the rebels were squashed that would be terrible and I'm glad it ended up with good news. This means a democratic government and better life for the Libyan people, I'm sure no one will miss Gaddafi.
I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusion that this would lead to a democratic government or necessarily better lives for Libyan people. I agree no one would miss Gaddafi, except for perhaps those who benefited the most under him.
Libya is still very much tribal, and women are still disproportionately shunned out from society as objects to men's discretion.
So whether or not this is good news is relative.
The undeniable case here is that the international coalition was a success - this should be the model of how countries intervene - balancing the military power in favor of popular stance rather than go it alone cowboy silliness.
Didn't you use to make the case that the US SHOULD intervene in these kinds of things.
I seem to remember clearly you advocating intervention i Cote Divoire.
So sending troops in would be fine to deal with an internal conflict, but giving the rebels a nudge with some airstrikes isn't...
I'm surprised too. It took them so long to slog through territory that was purportedly more friendly to them. Then they just sliced through that last stretch which should have been most loyal to Daffy. Suggests to me that Daffy had little backing even in his region of traditional support.
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