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What do you mean "if" it were true? Have you not read DSM? Those memo's clearly show motive. Leiutenant-General Moseley's statements about trying to provoke Iraq in April of 2002 shows Bush started this war before receiving authorization from Congress (which is an impeachable offense). All the crap that came out of his and his administration's mouths about WMD's that they never found, the forged niger documents, the constantly changing reasons's why we went to war, how much more writing on the wall do you need to realize there is something wrong with this picture.Originally posted by KCConservative:
Last Tuesday, Harry Reid took to the floor of the Senate and asserted that the Bush administration had "manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions." This is a serious charge; if it were true, it might well be an indictable offense. But it is, in reality, a slander. Shouldn't the president defend his honor?
What do you mean "nearly"? They are just as guilty. And so are we. This is all being done in our name. If we don't try to use the system to try and stop this, then we are no different than Bush.Originally posted by Kandahar:
Of course George Bush deliberately misled the country. However, all of those senators knew in 2003 that the justification for war was bullshit, but they voted for it anyway. They are nearly as guilty as Bush is.
KCConservative said:Last Tuesday, Harry Reid took to the floor of the Senate and asserted that the Bush administration had "manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions." This is a serious charge; if it were true, it might well be an indictable offense. But it is, in reality, a slander. Shouldn't the president defend his honor?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/317nfqkh.asp
aps said:Why does everyone think that Congress saw the exact same intelligence that the White House saw? Or am I missing something?
Regardless, as correctly pointed out by former Senator Daschle, you always give the President the benefit of the doubt. He and his adminstration were going on every political show saying how we were in imminent danger. He has put his credibility on the line, and people are rightly questioning it, as most of what he said was not true, and there is evidence to show that there were lots of doubts about what the Bushies were saying.
How can he fight back? If he continues to assert that he did not mislead the people and there is a finding that he did, he has dug a deeper hole in attempting to continue to pull the wool over our eyes.
Awwww, and I thought that Bushie Wushie was supposed to restore honesty and integrity to the White House?
Stu Ghatze said:Keep dreaming, ..OH Bush can fight back alright & do you really believe the senate democrats were coerced into voting for the war in Iraq?
If you do YOU better think again, & THEY saw the same intelligence reports, & they drew THEIR own conclusions.
And ..MANY senate democrats, & former president Clinton ALSO gave nice little warm hearted speeches that Sadaam was a serious threat.
Not only that the senate democrats also wanted THEIR OWN RESOLUTION to show for the record how they voted, & why they voted to go to war, & their SOUND bytes, & THEIR own words are now recorded for posterior.
THe country ALSO knows as to why "some" democrats voted for the war resolution too, ..& it was for no other reason than to GRANDSTAND, & TO PRETEND that THEY are tough on terror, & support our military, ..when in fact "some" of them do not give a rats as.s about our military, & even vote AGAINST most funding for weapons systems etc!
So either the democratic party as a whole was serious about going to war with Iraq, ..OR they were nothing but a bunch of g-damn phonies "posturing" because the mainstream MAJORITY supported Bush on it, & the senate democrats were worried they might be committing political suicide IF they did not get on board.
Amazing, ..so now THIS DISINGENUINE behavior is carried forth into MORE DISINGENUINE BEHAVIOR...BY THE DEMOCRATS as an excuse to help undermine Mr. Bush's presidency!
I love it..:2razz: Why Bush made me do it, cause' he must have lied!
Clue: The majority of Americans SEE exactly what the democratic party is up to, & what they are trying to pull here; & it is about as PHONEY as a three dollar bill..No, strike that...it is even MORE phoney than what John Kerry was in the 04' campaign!:smile:
KCConservative said:Last Tuesday, Harry Reid took to the floor of the Senate and asserted that the Bush administration had "manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions." This is a serious charge; if it were true, it might well be an indictable offense. But it is, in reality, a slander. Shouldn't the president defend his honor?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/317nfqkh.asp
Stu Ghatze said:Keep dreaming, ..OH Bush can fight back alright & do you really believe the senate democrats were coerced into voting for the war in Iraq?
If you do YOU better think again, & THEY saw the same intelligence reports, & they drew THEIR own conclusions.
And ..MANY senate democrats, & former president Clinton ALSO gave nice little warm hearted speeches that Sadaam was a serious threat.
Not only that the senate democrats also wanted THEIR OWN RESOLUTION to show for the record how they voted, & why they voted to go to war, & their SOUND bytes, & THEIR own words are now recorded for posterior.
THe country ALSO knows as to why "some" democrats voted for the war resolution too, ..& it was for no other reason than to GRANDSTAND, & TO PRETEND that THEY are tough on terror, & support our military, ..when in fact "some" of them do not give a rats as.s about our military, & even vote AGAINST most funding for weapons systems etc!
So either the democratic party as a whole was serious about going to war with Iraq, ..OR they were nothing but a bunch of g-damn phonies "posturing" because the mainstream MAJORITY supported Bush on it, & the senate democrats were worried they might be committing political suicide IF they did not get on board.
Amazing, ..so now THIS DISINGENUINE behavior is carried forth into MORE DISINGENUINE BEHAVIOR...BY THE DEMOCRATS as an excuse to help undermine Mr. Bush's presidency!
I love it..:2razz: Why Bush made me do it, cause' he must have lied!
Clue: The majority of Americans SEE exactly what the democratic party is up to, & what they are trying to pull here; & it is about as PHONEY as a three dollar bill..No, strike that...it is even MORE phoney than what John Kerry was in the 04' campaign!:smile:
What is you source for this statistic?Stu Ghatze said:Clue: The majority of Americans SEE exactly what the democratic party is up to, & what they are trying to pull here; & it is about as PHONEY as a three dollar bill.
Why do you say this?python416 said:3) BECAUSE THE NEOCONS REMOVED ALL CONTRARIAN EVIDENCE FROM THE PRESENTATIONS TO THE SENATE
I hope you are right about the Libby trial, because that may be the last chance for hard core, mainstream evidence to come out.python416 said:I have been saying that since before the war! And it is nice to see the American public finally start to wake up to it, even if it is more than 2 years too late. I am pretty confident that one say almost all Americans will realize what pack of crap they have been sold.
I can't wait for the Libby trial cause a lot of it will come out then, I think. Even though I think Libby was just trying to smear Wilson, and my mistake outed his wife - but whatever, cause smearing Wilson because he objected to Cheney's painting of the intelligence situation should be a crime. (it is hard to write a law against smearing though - the neocons wouldn't be able to survive without their smear campaigns)
Simon W. Moon said:What is you source for this statistic?
Why do you say this?
ShullsM said:I hope you are right about the Libby trial, because that may be the last chance for hard core, mainstream evidence to come out.
What I think is largely, if not entirely, irrelevant.python416 said:What do you mean? Do you think the cases made to the UN and the Senate included things like "there is serious doubt as to if Saddam was buying Uranium from Niger"? Obviously not. Why not?
Simon W. Moon said:What I think is largely, if not entirely, irrelevant.
What evidence do you have to support the allegation that "THE NEOCONS REMOVED ALL CONTRARIAN EVIDENCE FROM THE PRESENTATIONS TO THE SENATE?"
After 9/11 Bush got it setup so he only had to show classified info to 8 hand picked members of Congress. It's completely conceivable the majority didn't get to see the whole picture that is just now being revealed.aps said:Why does everyone think that Congress saw the exact same intelligence that the White House saw? Or am I missing something?
scottyz said:After 9/11 Bush got it setup so he only had to show classified info to 8 hand picked members of Congress. It's completely conceivable the majority didn't get to see the whole picture that is just now being revealed.
Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority and Minority Leaders, and the Chairs and Ranking Members of the Intelligence Committees in the House and Senateaps said:Ooooh, interesting. Who were the 8 picked?
When and where did which senators say this?python416 said:With Senators saying that they were mislead ...
I don't understand what your specific evidence for saying "the neocons removed all contrarian evidence from the presentations to the senate" actually consists of.python416 said:... what don't you understand?
scottyz said:After 9/11 Bush got it setup so he only had to show classified info to 8 hand picked members of Congress. It's completely conceivable the majority didn't get to see the whole picture that is just now being revealed.
scottyz said:Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority and Minority Leaders, and the Chairs and Ranking Members of the Intelligence Committees in the House and Senate
I'm sure Bush still gets to withhold info even from them.
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/upload/bushrestrictedintel.pdfNavy Pride said:A link please........aw never mind.....:roll:
I suspect he's talking about this:Navy Pride said:A link please........aw never mind.....:roll:
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