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Well, really, I was thinking more along the lines of preventing those who would not immigrate legally even if the process took 5 mins of filling out paperwork, and a picture.No, a thousand times no. They will not work, people will be able to go over and under any fence built. Very expensive to build and maintain, We need comprehensive immigration reform.
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Well, it depends on the wall.nay and remove the incentives causing such a porous border, primarily by ending the multi billion dollar incentive to cross our border that black market drug distribution creates, no wall will stop the motivation to find a way in created by this potential revenue.
I don't think any sane person would suggest just a simple wall, if we actually decided to build a barrier of some sort...We build a 20 foot wall, they tunnel under it or get a 22 foot ladder.
Agreed.We also need a MUCH better system to verify a potential employees status before hire, and enforce severe penalties for knowingly employing someone who is not legally entitled to work here (as well as putting the illegal worker on a bus back home when they are caught).
No, a thousands times no. They will not work, people will be able to go over and under any fence built. Very expensive to build and maintain, We need comprehensive immigration reform.
Again, no sane person, given today's tech, is likely to suggest a simple wall.Ditto! If the Vietcong could go over a fence under fire with a homemade ladder I don't see how a motivated alien can't do it when no one is watching.
Wouldn't it make more sense and be cheaper to enforce the laws here regarding hiring illegals therefore eliminating the incentive to come here?
Well, it depends on the wall.
And how, exactly, would you remove the drug "black market"?
I don't think any sane person would suggest just a simple wall, if we actually decided to build a barrier of some sort...
I recommend mass cloning and genetic manipulation to increase their individual ability. :mrgreen:The majestic North American Cheetah. About 10,000 or 15,000 should do it.
It could be argued that it's not beyond the scope of this thread, as I never specified what type of barrier, and removing incentives to cross might be considered a sort of barrier...probably pushing it, however.Legalized drugs and controlled distribution.
The full scope of the "how exactly" and the reasons and arguments behind this position are beyond the scope of this thread (feel free to look at my signature link though), but our border situation is created in a large part by our drug policy and our drug demand.
If we are going to build anything, I have always liked the idea of more of a “funnel” system. Fences with deliberate holes, channeling the majority of those crossing towards border patrol units.My statement on the 22' ladder was for the most part figurative, but how much money are we to throw at this? that is ~2200 miles of fence there to go high tech on, and it still probably would not work. There is still that issue of a massive incentive to find holes in it, smugglers will find a way through.
If we are going to build anything, I have always liked the idea of more of a “funnel” system. Fences with deliberate holes, channeling the majority of those crossing towards border patrol units.
And I was including the US – Canada Border, so the total is likely more than ~2200 miles.
Probably closer to ~8,000-10,000 miles, if you include the Canada – Alaska border…
So, I was perusing one of the recent threads on Immigration, and these questions occurred to me:
Can a case be made for construction of walls/fences/barriers on some or all of the land borders (and perhaps some sea borders? Dunno how that would work...) of the US?
If you support such, why?
If you oppose such, Why?
And, whether you support or oppose such, are there variables involved that might convince you to switch?
And other questions in that vein.
Well, the actual fence would only be part of my imagined barrier.Good idea in general except that once people realize what’s going on they will soon start making their own holes. And with illegal’s being returned to across the border and coming back a week later such a funnel system would soon be found out.
How the hell do we be build a jungle on the US - Canadian border, let alone the near-desert (in some areas) US - Mexico border?Moat + sharks with laser beams, followed by a jungle of rabid koalas and then a KY wrestling match with a T1000.
Not to deter illegal border crossers but because it sounds cool.
If you make it through all those, you get automatic citizenship plus a trophy.
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