Feds need to stop gun store panic buying

[Fledermaus]

So Yes or No, does this symbol ENDORSE the Nazis at all

If you don't know what the symbol is, your answer has to be no.

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Have you explained the symbol?

Yes or no?

If not, "I don't know" is a completely valid answer.

 

[Rich2018]

Have you explained the symbol?

Yes or no?

If not, "I don't know" is a completely valid answer.

I'm not asking what the symbol is - it is actually a flag from a Neo-Nazi group - I was asking if it ENDORSES the Nazis or Nazism



Based on what the Russian guy said:

it can not be a reference to nazis unless the symbol endorses the nazis

Which I'm trying to get him to admit is a false claim.

 

[Rich2018]

Good, once the shops are open for the same time they were forced close then they can vote agian to shut them down if the emergency continues. If not they stay open. Without having them mandated to reopen the ban could just be renewed over and over agian for months or years.

That doesn't make sense

Why does a shop need to open if there's a valid reason it should be closed ?

 

[Chillfolks]

That doesn't make sense

Why does a shop need to open if there's a valid reason it should be closed ?

So that it can service the public and prevent the continued renewal creating a de facto ban.

You did stumble on a good point. There would need to be a valid reason to close them to begin with. So we need to hash out what a valid reason would be, because we don't currently have one.

 

[Rich2018]

symbol

I am nott saying yes or no because I dont know

So you don't know if the symbol endorcices the Nazis

What a stupid thing to say


So now you're saying a symbol can endorse something without an observer knowing it or what is is that is endorsed ?

Please give an explanation of how that can be the case
Or better still an example of a symbol, endorsing a particular movement, without an observer knowing that movement was being endorsed


Remember you said:

it can not be a reference to nazis unless the symbol endorses the nazis

I await your detailed explanation

What doctored tape, compare the videos

The court examined the original tape versus the doctored tape shamelessly circulated by the WH

Journalists should shut the f**k up when ordered to sit down because it is the rule....

Oh right....and there goes democracy for you

LOL


I somehow doubt the RW would just shut up and obediently sit down had they thought they'd caught Obama out on a lie....
They'd have been on him like a pack of dogs

Trump doesn't like being caught out lying....to bad we have a free press in this country who don't "shut the f**k up"
Maybe you'd prefer to live in the USSR under Stalin ?

Trumps press conference is not a war, or can be compared to it...

I didn't, another lie from you

Trump is not my hero, I am an independent

You could have fooled me.

 

[Rich2018]

So that it can service the public and prevent the continued renewal creating a de facto ban.

You did stumble on a good point. There would need to be a valid reason to close them to begin with. So we need to hash out what a valid reason would be, because we don't currently have one.

But a continual ban requires a periodic democratic vote


Once again, if you accept that a place should be forced to close today, why not tomorrow ?

 

[Chillfolks]

But a continual ban requires a periodic democratic vote

Exactly it could be renewed over and over agian creating a de facto ban, something I've repeatedly opposed.

Once again, if you accept that a place should be forced to close today, why not tomorrow ?

I've already answered this queation my answer has not changed.

 

[Fledermaus]

I'm not asking what the symbol is - it is actually a flag from a Neo-Nazi group - I was asking if it ENDORSES the Nazis or Nazism

Based on what the Russian guy said:

Which I'm trying to get him to admit is a false claim.

How can one determine what a symbol does or does not endorse if one does not recognize the symbol?

One can't.

"I don't know" was a valid answer.

 

[Rich2018]

Exactly it could be renewed over and over agian creating a de facto ban, something I've repeatedly opposed.

Yes, if the organization issuing the ban deemed it necessary

But surely your view is illogical, let's say you support the ban, it means that a place will open when you think it should be closed

I've already answered this queation my answer has not changed.

To put it in clearer terms

If you think a business should be closed because it is not safe for it to open you issue a temp order to close - say until 1st August

Say on the 31st July, you think the situation has not improved (or even got worse), you're saying you cannot re-issue the order to close (for another set period of say 4 months) and the business can re-open DESPITE your opinion (that closed it in the first place) that it is not safe to do so.


Did I get that right ?

 

[Rich2018]

How can one determine what a symbol does or does not endorse if one does not recognize the symbol?

One can't.

"I don't know" was a valid answer.

But he said:

it can not be a reference to nazis unless the symbol endorses the nazis

So a symbol, according to him, can't reference a thing (in this instance: Nazis) unless it endorses it


Now you can't know if a symbol references something if you don't recognize it, but are you telling me that you can't detect ENDORSEMENT ?


Now a propaganda poster showing a "good" Nazi bayoneting an "evil" Negro/Jew/Asian who was about to kill/rape am Aryan woman, is an endorsement of Nazi racial policy.

A swastika (or that simple symbol I keep posting) is not.

 

[Chillfolks]

Yes, if the organization issuing the ban deemed it necessary

But surely your view is illogical, let's say you support the ban, it means that a place will open when you think it should be closed

Ok let's assume you don't support such a ban, would you not oppose the closing of a business you think should be opened?

To put it in clearer terms

If you think a business should be closed because it is not safe for it to open you issue a temp order to close - say until 1st August

Say on the 31st July, you think the situation has not improved (or even got worse), you're saying you cannot re-issue the order to close (for another set period of say 4 months) and the business can re-open DESPITE your opinion (that closed it in the first place) that it is not safe to do so.


Did I get that right ?

I don't think gun shops should be closed. I was offering up a comparamise that would allow them to close to appease anti gun fears for a temporary time frame. Then they are reopened allow to do business and if they nees to be closed agian they can be. If you're unwilling to comparamise then fine. The government can not shut down gun shopd on times of emergency. Your choice the temporary program allowing to be **** down reopened and repeat if nessecary or keep them open the whole time.

 

[BahamaBob]

Yes, if the organization issuing the ban deemed it necessary

But surely your view is illogical, let's say you support the ban, it means that a place will open when you think it should be closed

Ok let's assume you don't support such a ban, would you not oppose the closing of a business you think should be opened?




I don't think gun shops should be closed. I was offering up a comparamise that would allow them to close to appease anti gun fears for a temporary time frame. Then they are reopened allow to do business and if they nees to be closed agian they can be. If you're unwilling to comparamise then fine. The government can not shut down gun shopd on times of emergency. Your choice the temporary program allowing to be **** down reopened and repeat if nessecary or keep them open the whole time.

That is no compromise. In a compromise, both sides give something. The gun shops shutting down and getting noting in return is not a comprimise.

A compromise would be if the gun shops would close down, the anti gun groups would pay them what they would have made in revenue. That way both sides give something and both sides lose something.

 

[Rich2018]

Ok let's assume you don't support such a ban, would you not oppose the closing of a business you think should be opened?

Yes, I would oppose it

I don't think gun shops should be closed....

I don't think any shops should be closed

In the case of this COVID-19 pandemic, if they allow only so many people in and provide for social distancing and also precautions like regular use of sanitizing wipes
In fact I now think all stores/shops/restaurants /bars/churches etc should be mandated to have sanitizer dispensers (as should cable/HVAC/telephone tech etc vehicles

I was offering up a comparamise that would allow them to close to appease anti gun fears for a temporary time frame.

Then you start from a false position

Gun shops etc should only close as a necessity, not an appeasement

...the government can not shut down gun shopd on times of emergency. Your choice the temporary program allowing to be **** down reopened and repeat if necessary or keep them open the whole time.

Gun shops etc, should only be closed if necessary - let's say if COVID-19 got out of hand and millions were dying. Then we might take extreme measures and close all businesses that are absolutely necessary (like food processing plants)

My choice is not a temporary program, it is for a FINITE timescale, that would take a government body to positively re-extend, for another FINITE period, each and every time.

 

[DeathNinja]

With your furtive imagination, you should team up with the likes of George Romero to write a screen play for a 2021 Summer Blockbuster Movie


Lots of gun play, high body count, toilet roll, Brad Pitt in a lead role...

I quote this party three months after his ****ty comment specifically to humiliate and otherwise reduce his standing, take a damn close look at this guy's comment to me from back in April, prior to the democratic party rioting in most major American cities, rioting which continues to this very moment! Such weak, intellectually aborted people are absolutely the last people on earth any of you should ever take seriously, for any reason at all....:2wave: Checkmate!

 

[Rich2018]

I quote this party three months after his ****ty comment specifically to humiliate and otherwise reduce his standing, take a damn close look at this guy's comment to me from back in April, prior to the democratic party rioting in most major American cities, rioting which continues to this very moment! Such weak, intellectually aborted people are absolutely the last people on earth any of you should ever take seriously, for any reason at all....

Three months huh, try to keep up

You should still plan the collaborative venture as suggested, as your furtive imagination hasn't dimmed at all by the looks of your post


Remember: Lots of gun play, high body count, toilet roll, Brad Pitt in a lead role...