Feds Bust Far-Left plot to kidnap Michigan Governor

[CLAX1911]

Historically illerate as usual.

Snears of undeserved arrogance do nothing but stroke your ego. I am not ignorant of the lie you've been told I know all about it I was told that too I just have a brain and think for myself.

The government did not own the means of production in Germany, there were private companies like Hugo Boss operating in Nazi Germany.

well sure technically they didn't own them that's why I said that it's a defective socialism. The government just told them what they could sell who they could sell it to how much they could charge for it how much of it they could produce. technically it's not ownership but if you don't have any control over your own business you don't own it.

It's funny how you suggest anyone else is historically illiterate

Conservatives like Van Papen helped Hitler into power, Social Democrats voted against Hitler's Enabling Act, conservatives voted for it in the Reichstag.

so what?

 

[CLAX1911]

Instead of wasting all your time writing those vapid, lamer-than-lame "comments" you should have just gone straight to this:

I'll consider it next time.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are exposing your political illiteracy. Anarchists ARE libertarians, but not all libertarians are anarchists.

Yeah you say I'm exposing something but you don't present an argument. you can insist on whatever nonsense you want until time stops until you show me something it's nothing.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, there's no, "conspiracy". It's plain as day - trump giving blow jobs to white supremacists at his debate. "Stand down, but stand by".

If trump's telling us exactly how he feels about white supremacy - you can't call that "a conspiracy theory, my friend.

You really don't see what's happening then. Sad.

Every conspiracy theorist believes their conspiracy theories plain as day and everyone else is just blind so way to go is sounding exactly like a conspiracy theorist that really drives it home that this isn't a conspiracy theory.

 

[calamity]

...
I'm sorry a link to CNN doesn't establish anything they are confirmed liars.

Looks like we confirmed you lied more than you can prove CNN does.

 

[CLAX1911]

Looks like we confirmed you lied more than you can prove CNN does.

You're not making any points.

 

[calamity]

That is akin to claiming North Korea is a a democracy because its called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

No, they are Republicans. <wink>

 

[calamity]

You're not making any points.

Calling it like I see it. Your posts in this thread are lies and incredibly ill informed.

 

[lurchadams]

Every conspiracy theorist believes their conspiracy theories plain as day and everyone else is just blind so way to go is sounding exactly like a conspiracy theorist that really drives it home that this isn't a conspiracy theory.

You got it, pal. Enjoy your weekend!

 

[CLAX1911]

Calling it like I see it. Your posts in this thread are lies and incredibly ill informed.

You can see it however you want I'm really okay with it.

 

[Geoist]

Yeah you say I'm exposing something but you don't present an argument. you can insist on whatever nonsense you want until time stops until you show me something it's nothing.

Anarchism and libertarianism have a close history. The terms were historically, and still are used interchangeably. For you to say anarchists cannot be considered libertarians is plain ignorant. There is nothing in libertarian ideology that requires a state.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Snears of undeserved arrogance do nothing but stroke your ego. I am not ignorant of the lie you've been told I know all about it I was told that too I just have a brain and think for myself.

Don't blame me for knowing more about WWII then you, stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and read a book.

well sure technically they didn't own them that's why I said that it's a defective socialism. The government just told them what they could sell who they could sell it to how much they could charge for it how much of it they could produce. technically it's not ownership but if you don't have any control over your own business you don't own it.

That is not the workers owning the means of production, at best that is state capitalism:

State capitalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If the workers do not own the means of production and there are still private companies that make a buck, that is not Marxism.

And most war economies have a lot of state involvement, was the UK in WWI as a socialist economy because the state was directing the economy towards war production?

It's funny how you suggest anyone else is historically illiterate
so what?

So what? Socialists opposed Hitler's rise to power and conservatives like Van Papen supported it, if he was socialist, why did conservatives support him and socialists oppose him if he was

You know why Van Papen supported Hitler, because he and his allies in the business world thought he was the better choice compared to the actual socialists fighting the Nazis on the street in 1920s Germany.

 

[CLAX1911]

Anarchism and libertarianism have a close history. The terms were historically, and still are used interchangeably. For you to say anarchists cannot be considered libertarians is plain ignorant. There is nothing in libertarian ideology that requires a state.

I don't care about your opinion.

 

[Yes_Minister]

I actually presented evidence just because you disregard it doesn't mean it's not there.

Really what evidence did you present that the GOP does not have white nationalists in its ranks? Because when I mentioned Duke and Spencer, you said whatever and did nothing else. You made a claim and you cannot back it up.

well what you did was you gave me evidence of white supremacists that support Trump that's not far right. If it is then prove it.

Are white supremacists are not far right? Really how many white supremacists would say they are left? Name me left-wing white nationalist in modern times.

Also, your party has been courting bigots for decades:

Lee Atwater - Wikiquote

en.wikiquote.org

Is that quote too much reading for ya? Do I have to post it and edit out the slurs?

You had an actual Nazi run for office for the GOP recently, is he left-wing?

Admitted Nazi Arthur Jones Running For Congress Again In Bid To Challenge Rep. Dan Lipinski

Unlike his previous attempts to defeat Congressman Dan Lipinski, this time Arthur Jones is not the only Republican in the race.

chicago.cbslocal.com

again you can think whatever you want. I'm posting opinions if you don't agree then don't agree I don't care.


you named two people is that all there is to White supremacists?
I'm sorry a link to CNN doesn't establish anything they are confirmed liars.

Ah, the Lügenpresse argument.

Lying press - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I named some more, do those guys count?

This whole if you are a white nationalist you cannot be right-wing just seems like a no true Scotsman argument.

 

[CLAX1911]

Don't blame me for knowing more about WWII then you, stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and read a book.

I don't blame you for believing you know more I blame the schools.

That is not the workers owning the means of production, at best that is state capitalism:

State capitalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If the workers do not own the means of production and there are still private companies that make a buck, that is not Marxism.

I'm sorry you were gaslighted but I'm not as easy as you were. just because you insist on something and you find other people that insist on it the same doesn't mean it's true.

So what? Socialists opposed Hitler's rise to power and conservatives like Van Papen supported it, if he was socialist, why did conservatives support him and socialists oppose him if he was

money power allegiance. if you're going to suggest it's because they had similar philosophies feel free to explain the similar philosophies. Keep in mind the trash opinions are relegated to the trash.

You know why Van Papen supported Hitler, because he and his allies in the business world thought he was the better choice compared to the actual socialists fighting the Nazis on the street in 1920s Germany.

so money and power. That's typically why people form alliance it's rarely because that person has the same social view as you do.

 

[trouble13]

A "peaceful kidnapping," eh? Where do you get notions like that...QAnon? Here's a excerpt from the FBI affadavit (pp 7-8) describing the planning. of these shitbrained thugs:


Peaceful kidnapping your ass.

Im following the lead set by progressives who claim looting, rioting, arson, rape, assault, murder, and vandalism all fall under the category of a peaceful assembly.

 

[Geoist]

I don't care about your opinion.

Keep spouting ignorant posts. It's entertaining.

 

[Geoist]

Im following the lead set by progressives who claim looting, rioting, arson, rape, assault, murder, and vandalism all fall under the category of a peaceful assembly.

Citation?

 

[Yes_Minister]

I don't blame you for believing you no more I blame the schools.

Your opinions are not facts on this matter, I bet you cannot actually prove your case.

I'm sorry you were gaslighted but I'm not as easy as you were. just because you insist on something and you find other people that insist on it the same doesn't mean it's true.

So are left-wing anarchists who want to eliminate the state, not socialists? There different types of socialists, not everyone is a Leninist tankie.

China having workers making products for Apple at slave wages is not them owning the means of production is it?

money power allegiance. if you're going to suggest it's because they had similar philosophies feel free to explain the similar philosophies. Keep in mind the trash opinions are relegated to the trash.
so money and power. That's typically why people form alliance it's rarely because that person has the same social view as you do.

So why did the Social Democrats not vote for the Enabling Act? It's a simple question, I bet you cannot answer it. Because it contradicts your theory.

Van Papen helped Hitler to power, not the Social Democrats.

 

[Geoist]

Sometimes I wonder if CLAX and EXCON are the same person...

 

[CLAX1911]

Really what evidence did you present that the GOP does not have white nationalists in its ranks?

I wouldn't provide evidence for something I didn't claim. The only way you can hold on to an argument is fabricating straw man you're going to have to find someone else.

Because when I mentioned Duke and Spencer, you said whatever and did nothing else. You made a claim and you cannot back it up.

I don't feel I need to. You said two idiots think a certain way who cares?

Are white supremacists are not far right? Really how many white supremacists would say they are left? Name me left-wing white nationalist in modern times.

why should I care?

Also, your party has been courting bigots for decades:

Lee Atwater - Wikiquote

en.wikiquote.org

Is that quote too much reading for ya? Do I have to post it and edit out the slurs?

I don't care.

You had an actual Nazi run for office for the GOP recently, is he left-wing?

if he is a Nazi then yes Nazi means national Socialist. if you're just randomly calling the guy on Nazi because of something he thinks that you don't like then he's not really a Nazi.

Ah, the Lügenpresse argument.

Lying press - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I named some more, do those guys count?

do they count for what what are you trying to prove here?

This whole if you are a white nationalist you cannot be right-wing just seems like a no true Scotsman argument.

so why are you arguing with it? Racial identitarianism is strictly left. It has been since Karl Marx. I do not care how much you have been indoctrinated by marxists to believe otherwise. I don't care how many turds you can line up that agree with you. Consensus does not create reality.

You need more.

 

[trouble13]

Citation?

Theres countless examples recorded in the media for prosperity, but here is one of many examples for your viewing pleasure.

CNN's Chris Cuomo: Who Says Protests Are Supposed

CNN's Chris Cuomo wondered Tuesday night why people expect protests to be "polite and peaceful." "Please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful," he said. "Because I can show you that outraged citizens are what made the country what she is and led to any...

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[CLAX1911]

Sometimes I wonder if CLAX and EXCON are the same person...

why is there somebody else on this forum that doesn't give a crap what you think? I wouldn't think that would be almost everyone is everyone the same person? Are we all out to get you?

 

[Citizen]

It's Trump's FBI Trump is the leader.

Trump does not own the FBI. The FBI’s investigations are not sanctioned by the president. The president does not know all of the details of everything the FBI does. That is not how this government works. We are not an autocracy. Even though you trumpers wish it was

 

[Geoist]

I don't care about your opinion.

Libertarianism has frequently been used to refer to anarchism and libertarian socialism since this time.[41][42][43]
Nettlau, Max (1996). A Short History of Anarchism. London: Freedom Press. p. 162.
Ward, Colin (2004). Anarchism: A Very Short Introduction. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 62. "For a century, anarchists have used the word 'libertarian' as a synonym for 'anarchist', both as a noun and an adjective. The celebrated anarchist journal Le Libertaire was founded in 1896. However, much more recently the word has been appropriated by various American free-market philosophers [...]."
Chomsky, Noam (23 February 2002). "The Week Online Interviews Chomsky". Z Magazine. Z Communications. Archived from the original on 13 January 2013. Retrieved 21 November2011. The term libertarian as used in the US means something quite different from what it meant historically and still means in the rest of the world. Historically, the libertarian movement has been the anti-statist wing of the socialist movement. Socialist anarchism was libertarian socialism.