Federal judge rules women can get abortion pill without doctor visits

[year2late]

Quit wondering and then badgering anyone that gives you an answer you don't like. LOOK IT UP YOURSELF!!!. Type "why are prescription drugs sold over the counter" get your answer.

Not to mention, abortion pills will still be prescription only.

 

[weaver2]

Not to mention, abortion pills will still be prescription only.

Unfortunately consulting over the phone and receiving prescription abortifacient through the mail is only a temporary step taken in the interests of curtailing the Pandemic

 

[year2late]

Unfortunately consulting over the phone and receiving prescription abortifacient through the mail is only a temporary step taken in the interests of curtailing the Pandemic

If this works well..... I can see them testing the limits post pandemic.

 

[year2late]

Only wondering why a drug is a prescription drug if they are sold using methods employed to sell M&M's.

Do you think this ruling would make the drugs non-prescription?

 

[code1211]

Do you think this ruling would make the drugs non-prescription?

Is that what you read in my post?

 

[year2late]

Is that what you read in my post?

How are M and Ms sold?

 

[weaver2]

If this works well..... I can see them testing the limits post pandemic.

"They"; meaning the anti-abortion people? I hope they do test the limits. If it goes to court all the ridiculous requirements needed to fill the prescription will be made public. It's a two stage medication. The first dose is taken in the doctor's office. Instead of handing the second dose to the woman, in the office she is given a prescription which must be filled and signed for at another doctors office, the hospital or another clinic, but not at the local drug store. No other prescription drug is treated this way.

 

[year2late]

"They"; meaning the anti-abortion people? I hope they do test the limits. If it goes to court all the ridiculous requirements needed to fill the prescription will be made public. It's a two stage medication. The first dose is taken in the doctor's office. Instead of handing the second dose to the woman, in the office she is given a prescription which must be filled and signed for at another doctors office, the hospital or another clinic, but not at the local drug store. No other prescription drug is treated this way.

I agree, no other prescription is treated in such a manner.

Actually I meant the prochoice folks testing the limits outside of the pandemic. If we have a decent base for anecdotal evidence of no increase in serious side effects by virtual visit , I can see prochoicers being proactive in making this a method of prescription outside of pandemic.

 

[weaver2]

I agree, no other prescription is treated in such a manner.

Actually I meant the prochoice folks testing the limits outside of the pandemic. If we have a decent base for anecdotal evidence of no increase in serious side effects by virtual visit , I can see prochoicers being proactive in making this a method of prescription outside of pandemic.

It may be possible with a change in administrations without a change I don't see that squeezing through the cordon of vigilante Christians.

 

[Lursa]

I agree, no other prescription is treated in such a manner.

Actually I meant the prochoice folks testing the limits outside of the pandemic. If we have a decent base for anecdotal evidence of no increase in serious side effects by virtual visit , I can see prochoicers being proactive in making this a method of prescription outside of pandemic.

It's just more of the same hypocrisy...that code1211 cant even acknowledge...that they want special rules for abortion because they care ONLY about saving the unborn and dont care about the women. Otherwise they would have similar requirements for midwives doing home births. But they dont. They dont require 'admitting privileges' at nearby hospitals and they dont even require doctors to perform a much much more dangerous procedure :doh

There's no justifying such hypocrisy...and none of these pro-lifers have ever even tried. They just ignore it.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Night_Ranger]

I do. I have horses.
There are no children involved in abortion at all.
And murdering children is against the law.

Are these dark horses by chance?

This is the problem with self deception. Enough people have convinced enough people over the years that there is a separation in the dawn of life between fetus and child. What they dont realize is that it's just a label. Its a very very shallow argument, but speaks volumes about pro abortion tactics that play out every day across our nation. Because they forgot the journey to childhood begins in womb, i.e. the beginnings of or the dawn of life start here.

You don't have license to chop down a tree because it's not fully grown, in fact your are killing a child an adult, a mother or father, sister or brother, friend or enemy. Take your pick. Because they all go down at once.

This is the total inverse of your personal perception on the matter. And it wont change until you remove the labels you put on the stages of growth in the womb.

do you not question your own logic here? Im being serious when I say your a killing people before they have a chance at life. You know who operates that way? Satan. It's about preserving life, especially in it's dawn, why do you think we have hospitals? Because as a whole we feel more complete if we save life verses destroy them.

You should reflect on that for a moment.

 

[Lursa]

Are these dark horses by chance?

This is the problem with self deception. Enough people have convinced enough people over the years that there is a separation in the dawn of life between fetus and child. What they dont realize is that it's just a label. Its a very very shallow argument, but speaks volumes about pro abortion tactics that play out every day across our nation. Because they forgot the journey to childhood begins in womb, i.e. the beginnings of or the dawn of life start here.

You don't have license to chop down a tree because it's not fully grown, in fact your are killing a child an adult, a mother or father, sister or brother, friend or enemy. Take your pick. Because they all go down at once.

This is the total inverse of your personal perception on the matter. And it wont change until you remove the labels you put on the stages of growth in the womb.

do you not question your own logic here? Im being serious when I say your a killing people before they have a chance at life. You know who operates that way? Satan. It's about preserving life, especially in it's dawn, why do you think we have hospitals? Because as a whole we feel more complete if we save life verses destroy them.

You should reflect on that for a moment.

You should reflect on actual science and human development before declaring that the unborn and newborn are the same. They are not, not physiologically and not in the ability of the govt to act on the newborn without violating the rights of the woman.

Labels have a purpose and to someone like you that has only feelings and possibly religion to base your position on, they tend to get in the way. (Your tree analogy just plain fails, btw.)

We all know what is developing inside the woman and what it will become if/when born. The discussion is whether or not that unborn life should take precedence over the life of the woman carrying it. Legally and ethically, they cannot be treated equally.

I value the unborn but value all born people more. Which do you value more? And if you attempt to say you value both equally, then you'll have to explain how, legally, that would be possible.

Please reflect on this and give a straightforward, honest answer, not more proselytizing or storytelling.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[year2late]

Only wondering why a drug is a prescription drug if they are sold using methods employed to sell M&M's.

Do you think this ruling would make the drugs non-prescription?

Is that what you read in my post?

Yes. M and M's are sold without restriction.

Of course that is what was insinuated in your post.

 

[weaver2]

Are these dark horses by chance?

This is the problem with self deception. Enough people have convinced enough people over the years that there is a separation in the dawn of life between fetus and child. What they dont realize is that it's just a label. Its a very very shallow argument, but speaks volumes about pro abortion tactics that play out every day across our nation. Because they forgot the journey to childhood begins in womb, i.e. the beginnings of or the dawn of life start here.

You don't have license to chop down a tree because it's not fully grown, in fact your are killing a child an adult, a mother or father, sister or brother, friend or enemy. Take your pick. Because they all go down at once.

This is the total inverse of your personal perception on the matter. And it wont change until you remove the labels you put on the stages of growth in the womb.

do you not question your own logic here? Im being serious when I say your a killing people before they have a chance at life. You know who operates that way? Satan. It's about preserving life, especially in it's dawn, why do you think we have hospitals? Because as a whole we feel more complete if we save life verses destroy them.

You should reflect on that for a moment.

Your focus on only the fetus says the same things about your beliefs that you accuse the pro-choice movement of having. You have forgotten that childhood begins with family that cares and wants that fetus in the womb. Preserving life includes saving those already born. If a woman and a man know that by adding a child or another child to the family they will destroy not only the child but the family and you deny them the chance to save the family you have destroyed them as surely as taking a gun to them. Your obsessive focus on preserving a fetus that will destroy the family has a motive you will not admit to yourself. You should reflect on that for a moment.

 

[weaver2]

Your focus on only the fetus says the same things about your beliefs that you accuse the pro-choice movement of having. You have forgotten that childhood begins with family that cares and wants that fetus in the womb. Preserving life includes saving those already born. If a woman and a man know that by adding a child or another child to the family they will destroy not only the child but the family and you deny them the chance to save the family you have destroyed them as surely as taking a gun to them. Your obsessive focus on preserving a fetus that will destroy the family has a motive you will not admit to yourself. You should reflect on that for a moment.

Anyway, who are you that you get to tell families how to run their lives? You, who are a proponent of individual rights for yourself want to tell men and women how to manage their private sexual and reproductive lives according to what you believe. The country best suited to your mind set is a theocracy not a democracy.

 

[code1211]

How are M and Ms sold?

Freely with no doctor's exam required to authorize their use.

 

[code1211]

Yes. M and M's are sold without restriction.

Of course that is what was insinuated in your post.

With respect, M&M's ARE sold with restrictions. Freshness dating, licensed outlets, distribution chains, marketing "channels", pricing, FDA regulations and authorized purchasers.

 

[year2late]

Freely with no doctor's exam required to authorize their use.

And abortion pills are not given out "freely". A doctor's (or NP, my guess) consultation is required.

Your analogy falls flat.

 

[year2late]

With respect, M&M's ARE sold with restrictions. Freshness dating, licensed outlets, distribution chains, marketing "channels", pricing, FDA regulations and authorized purchasers.

And yet they do not require a medical consultation for purchase.

Hell, even a brittle diabetic could buy a case of m and m's without medical consultation first.

 

[Lursa]

And yet they do not require a medical consultation for purchase.

Hell, even a brittle diabetic could buy a case of m and m's without medical consultation first.

It's still a total lack of argument.

Again, it's just more of the same hypocrisy...that code1211 cant even acknowledge...that they want special rules for abortion because they care ONLY about saving the unborn and dont care about the women. Otherwise they would have similar requirements for midwives doing home births. But they dont. They dont require 'admitting privileges' at nearby hospitals and they dont even require doctors to perform a much much more dangerous procedure :doh

There's no justifying such hypocrisy...and none of these pro-lifers have ever even tried. They just ignore it.

Have you been able to get a direct answer on it? On acknowledging the basic foundation for the objection? If so, please give me a post #?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[weaver2]

It's still a total lack of argument.

Again, it's just more of the same hypocrisy...that code1211 cant even acknowledge...that they want special rules for abortion because they care ONLY about saving the unborn and dont care about the women. Otherwise they would have similar requirements for midwives doing home births. But they dont. They dont require 'admitting privileges' at nearby hospitals and they dont even require doctors to perform a much much more dangerous procedure :doh

There's no justifying such hypocrisy...and none of these pro-lifers have ever even tried. They just ignore it.

Have you been able to get a direct answer on it? On acknowledging the basic foundation for the objection? If so, please give me a post #?

The initial abortion pill is taken in the clinic and the second pill could be given to the woman to take later. Instead a woman must take a prescription for the second pill to another clinic or doctor or hospital get it signed off and then pick up the pill maybe at a different location, you know patient harassment, not women medical safety, is what is going on.

 

[year2late]

The initial abortion pill is taken in the clinic and the second pill could be given to the woman to take later. Instead a woman must take a prescription for the second pill to another clinic or doctor or hospital get it signed off and then pick up the pill maybe at a different location, you know patient harassment, not women medical safety, is what is going on.

What other prescription is treated in such a manner? They might as well make it a scavenger hunt or geocaching.

 

[code1211]

Yes. M and M's are sold without restriction.

Of course that is what was insinuated in your post.

Not at all.

 

[code1211]

And abortion pills are not given out "freely". A doctor's (or NP, my guess) consultation is required.

Your analogy falls flat.

So, then, no physical exam.

 

[code1211]

And yet they do not require a medical consultation for purchase.

Hell, even a brittle diabetic could buy a case of m and m's without medical consultation first.

And by filling out an internet questionnaire, any person could do the same, apparently, in ordering Abortion Pills.