Federal judge blocks new Trump travel ban

[tres borrachos]

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
"Lock her up"

Broken campaign promises are now evidence? Can a judge now force the president to prosecute Mrs. Clinton on the theory that a president swears an oath to uphold the laws?

That was the weirdest post I've seen in ages.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Where is the balance of power in this ruling? Balance of power words both ways. Does the Executive have authority under the Constitution to take action under his authority? If he doesn't, and ultimately the power of the Executive is dependent upon the permission of the courts, then clearly there is balance of power.

It's not over. The judges can be overruled by a higher court. Are you another one that skipped civics in high school?

 

[EnigmaO01]

As has been stated before, the religious test argument falls flat when looked at in context how many Muslim-majority nations are not included. Most Muslims don't live in those countries. Hell, I'm even against the policy, especially with regard to Libya, Syria, and old one that included Iraq. The only reason, though, was that I think we are responsible for the fallout as it was our country that actively worked to destabilize these regions and causing one of the biggest humanitarian crises since the Holocaust (i.e. Syria, thanks Obama). We help turn a country into a ****-hole, we should help people out. I'd take more of them.

For those countries where we didn't screw it up. Well...that's on them. We don't have the resources to take care of the entire world. We can't even take care of our own and pay our own bills.

All this said, my personal feelings don't trump the Constitution.

"Don't trump the Constitution?" :lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[calamity]

These guys in the Dump Admin really are stupid.

The ruling notes:

On February 21, Senior Advisor to the President, Stephen Miller, told Fox News that the new travel ban would have the same effect as the old one. He said: “Fundamentally, you’re still going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country, but you’re going to be responsive to a lot of very technical issues that were brought up by the court and those will be addressed. But in terms of protecting the country, those basic policies are still going to be in effect.”

Thank Stephen Miller's Big Mouth For Trump Travel Ban's Latest Court Woes | The Huffington Post

:lamo

 

[EnigmaO01]

Except judges are supposed to base their decision on the the actual text of the order, not statements made by promoters.

Actually no. Decisions are based on all the information available. Only an poor judge would not do so.

Intent is a term used all the time in the courts.

Please quit sounding so foolish.

 

[JANFU]

"So-called" judge.

My thoughts are this is going to go to SCOTUS.

I think that is the case.
My opinion prior to the ruling was that it would pass muster. If it was then extended, problems would arise.
This may be precedent setting in using a candidates words, comments, while running for office. I slept in so just catching up.
I wonder what comments Trump made about a Muslim ban/suspension after the election???
So from 8 Nov forwards, I am sure MSM will have more details on these remarks, including context.

 

[EnigmaO01]

A campaign speech has greater weight than the actual document? Please...

USA law currently allows people to claim refugee status based upon religious persecution. My understand there are international agreements for which the USA has agreed to.

:doh :doh :doh

 

[JANFU]

I wonder if bot Trump and Rudy regret using that campaign rhetoric. It excited Trump supporters who are terrified of those terrible Mooslims, but now that he's elected, his words are coming back to haunt him.

Indeed they are

 

[Athanasius68]

It's not over. The judges can be overruled by a higher court. Are you another one that skipped civics in high school?

That isn't balance of power. Both courts are in the same department.
Balance of power means that the Executive has authority to take action not subject to approval of the courts.
The Legislative department has authority to take action not subject to approval from the courts.

 

[EnigmaO01]

usa law allows people to claim refugee status based upon religious persecution. Is this no longer constitutional?

wtf?!

 

[EnigmaO01]

No. She is arguing that Constitution gives authority to Congress over immigration, not the judiciary.
The defenders of the court decision are the ones demanding that the judiciary have absolute authority over immigration issues.

Riiight. :roll:

 

[ludin]

Federal judge blocks new Trump travel ban - CNNPolitics.com


Update- This ruling is nation wide
Well the proverbial crap is sure to it the fan

Thoughts are????

Judge is playing politics. He has no business doing it that is for sure.
Trump is well within his bounds to restrict travel to the US.

 

[tres borrachos]

I think that is the case.
My opinion prior to the ruling was that it would pass muster. If it was then extended, problems would arise.
This may be precedent setting in using a candidates words, comments, while running for office. I slept in so just catching up.
I wonder what comments Trump made about a Muslim ban/suspension after the election???
So from 8 Nov forwards, I am sure MSM will have more details on these remarks, including context.

I'm actually very surprised that this watered down version was blocked, to be honest. But now that it is, it's onward to the SCOTUS, which by the way is fine with me because I'm sick of hearing about it.

In the meantime, all of these "bad dudes" or whatever he called them I'm sure are pouring into our country like ants on a sandwich at a picnic.

 

[EnigmaO01]

The Constitution grants the president the authority to request Congress to declare war on a country, and Congress the authority to agree or disagree. One suspects that s declaration of war would negatively affect tourism to a state. Are we now claiming that the courts can OVERTURN such a declaration?

Please with the ridiculous arguments. You're just digging your hole deeper.

 

[ludin]

Apparently Trump didn't get the memo the first time. This isn't who we are.

Or the judge is overstepping his authority. The president has the power to restrict travel if he deems it needed.
The restriction is not permanent. this judge is playing politics and ignoring established law.

 

[Mac77]

This is a political decision by an Obama mole who overstepped his authority

The courts have no authorithy over foreign policy

 

[EnigmaO01]

So what? It's s political argument. Trump says its a problem; you say it isn't. It's got nothing to do with the courts. Predidents are allowed to exercise authority under the Constitutipn.

My question is why can't you spell constitution? I mean you've done this several times now. Too big a word for you?

 

[JANFU]

I'm actually very surprised that this watered down version was blocked, to be honest. But now that it is, it's onward to the SCOTUS, which by the way is fine with me because I'm sick of hearing about it.

In the meantime, all of these "bad dudes" or whatever he called them I'm sure are pouring into our country like ants on a sandwich at a picnic.

Tres - You do have a way with words.
That was funny as hell

 

[JANFU]

Or the judge is overstepping his authority. The president has the power to restrict travel if he deems it needed.
The restriction is not permanent. this judge is playing politics and ignoring established law.

Is it possible Trump is playing politics with the ban/suspension?

 

[tres borrachos]

Tres - You do have a way with words.
That was funny as hell

Thanks. So what do you think SCOTUS will do if they get it? I'm going to guess they would actually rule in favor of the temporary ban.

 

[chromium]

If you read the judges justification you would see that you are wrong.

The judge had to spin his decision into a laughable interpretation of intent, rather than simply applying legal merits.

It seems quite obvious this will go to the Supreme Court. The Obama Judge will likely be overturned.

No interpretation is needed when it's right out of the horse's mouth. A confession is a legal matter

The ruling made it clear it's not just about intent either, but the result of banning muslims from entering and whether that result is justified

 

[Ikari]

I'm actually very surprised that this watered down version was blocked, to be honest. But now that it is, it's onward to the SCOTUS, which by the way is fine with me because I'm sick of hearing about it.

In the meantime, all of these "bad dudes" or whatever he called them I'm sure are pouring into our country like ants on a sandwich at a picnic.

Exactly, and this is going to court. I too thought this one would pass the mustard, but we'll see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised to see the travel ban upheld. So let's wait till then to start freaking out about "judicial overreach".

 

[Athanasius68]

wtf?!

Hey-- many people hereabouts have said religious tests for admission to the USA violate the First Amendment. The USA specifically alliws for people to claim refugee status based upon religious persecution. Kind of tough to say religious persecution is not about religion.

 

[JANFU]

So what? It's s political argument. Trump says its a problem; you say it isn't. It's got nothing to do with the courts. Predidents are allowed to exercise authority under the Constitutipn.

Then no need for SCOTUS in regards to ruling on laws and such.
Just let Congress and the President do as they wish.

 

[EnigmaO01]

He's correct; the EO makes no distinction whatsoever between and among religions.



What exactly do YOU know about the law, particularly American law?

It's been my experience that many foreigners are more informed than the average American. I mean we did elect the most ignorant, stupid, narcissistic, lying piece of scum this country has ever seen as president didn't we?