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Federal Judge Allows Activists to Stake Out Ballot Boxes in Arizona

trouble13 said:
I don't care if you like what they are doing or not. They have the right to do it. Your feelings about it don't matter one bit to me. Not trying to be mean but That's a you problem.
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I thought I made the point as simple as possible and you still didn't get it.
Faux concerns don't necessitate us making changes to the process.
 
trouble13 said:
It's kinda funny having this conversation because I remember democrats complaining that stopping people from approaching voters standing in line outside a polling recent amounted to the equivalent of being a poll tax. Now you all arguing that someone maintaining a safe distance from voters intimidation lol. You really can't make this stuff up.
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um, wtf are you talking about?
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
yeah....bullshit.

You do know that Democratic and Republican election observers get to watch the ballots be counted? So what the **** are these armed Nazi assholes "protecting"?

Of course you don't know.
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I don't need to know. The only thing WE need to know is that they are legally entitled to do what they are doing
 
trouble13 said:
It's kinda funny having this conversation because I remember democrats complaining that stopping people from approaching voters standing in line outside a polling recent amounted to the equivalent of being a poll tax.
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What are you talking about?
 
ClaraD said:
I wonder if you will still be laughing at the fact this is also a federal violation

courts have found that people observing people and their license plates arriving at a polling place constitutes a violation of the KKK Act," Lee said. "And in that case, the people found liable were not carrying weapons.

"Numerous state laws also guard against harassment or intimidation at ballot boxes, both general intimidation statutes, generally housed within the criminal code, but equally applicable to any location, including ballot boxes and polling locations, and specific voting related enactments, generally housed within the state's election code."

the violation of this act means that not only is their a criminal action going on, but they are also subject to being sued by the people that are being intimidated.

It is also illegal to have a firearm at a polling place in Arizona.
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In order for the KKK act to apply, you need to provide credible evidence that a person intends to prevent lawful voting. "I don't like his vest" isn't sufficient.

Merely "observing people and their license plates arriving at a polling place" does not count. That would be ridiculous.
 
Buckeyes85 said:
I thought I made the point as simple as possible and you still didn't get it.
Faux concerns don't necessitate us making changes to the process.
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I'm not trying to change the system. I merely made a suggestion that I thought might be an acceptable compromise to both sides. It does not bother me that they are recording drop box activity.
 
trouble13 said:
I don't need to know. The only thing WE need to know is that they are legally entitled to do what they are doing
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Who gives a ****? It's still wrong to try to intimidate people for no reason. Not that you give a shit about that.
 
Jacksprat said:
What are you talking about?
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The left was quite irrate when they were told they were not allowed to pass out water and sandwiches to people waiting in line because the law required them to stand 100 feet away and prevented them from speaking to people in line. That was racist. Now your bitching that people can't stand 100 feet away from drop boxes.
 
trouble13 said:
The left was quite irrate when they were told they were not allowed to pass out water and sandwiches to people waiting in line because the law required them to stand 100 feet away and prevented them from speaking to people in line. That was racist. Now your bitching that people can't stand 100 feet away from drop boxes.
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Armed. Obviously to intimidate.
 
trouble13 said:
The left was quite irrate when they were told they were not allowed to pass out water and sandwiches to people waiting in line because the law required them to stand 100 feet away and prevented them from speaking to people in line. That was racist. Now your bitching that people can't stand 100 feet away from drop boxes.
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Yea being a decent person is horrific.
 
trouble13 said:
I would care if they were trying to do that but they are not. They are safeguarding our democracy.
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Haha, what training have they received? What actions would they take if they saw something they deemed illegal?
 
trouble13 said:
I don't need to know. The only thing WE need to know is that they are legally entitled to do what they are doing
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They aren't legally entitled to do what they are doing. Also, the Black Panther situation, I referred to occurred in Pennsylvania at a mostly black polling station. and they were not armed with guns. It also wasn't determined that they had the right to do that.
 
trouble13 said:
It's kinda funny having this conversation because I remember democrats complaining that stopping people from approaching voters standing in line outside a polling recent amounted to the equivalent of being a poll tax. Now you all arguing that someone maintaining a safe distance from voters intimidation lol. You really can't make this stuff up.
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There is a difference between giving people in line a bottle of water and what these jerks were up to. Though one should ask if they have been asked why they are there.
 
Jacksprat said:
Armed. Obviously to intimidate.
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Why haven't the police arrested them if it's obvious? Is it some kind of conspiracy against Democrats. Do I need to put on a tinfoil hat to tune in with you?
 
Jacksprat said:
A federal judge on Friday declined to ban an activist group from gathering near ballot boxes in Arizona, arguing that the members’ actions did not appear to constitute a “true threat” or intimidation and that their right to assemble in public spaces is constitutionally protected.

In his 14-page ruling, Judge Michael T. Liburdi found that while “many voters are legitimately alarmed by the observers filming” at ballot boxes in Maricopa County, there was no proof that the group, Clean Elections USA, had encouraged acts of violence or posted personal or identifying information online.

“While this case certainly presents serious questions,” Judge Liburdi wrote, “the court cannot craft an injunction without violating the First Amendment.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/28/u...lot-boxes.html

Bad decision. They are clearly there to cause trouble.
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To my way of thinking, these ballot boxes are exactly like the boxes that one deposits a ballot in at the polling place. sure you fill out the ballot at home but then you transport the ballot to these boxes. Activists are not allowed in the polling place between the voting booths and the deposit boxes. Why should this be any different?
 
trouble13 said:
I would care if they were trying to do that but they are not. They are safeguarding our democracy.
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Just stupid ****ing gibberish. Are these Nazi ****s also watching the votes get counted?

Asinine bullshit.
 
trouble13 said:
The left was quite irrate when they were told they were not allowed to pass out water and sandwiches to people waiting in line because the law required them to stand 100 feet away and prevented them from speaking to people in line. That was racist. Now your bitching that people can't stand 100 feet away from drop boxes.
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oh good lord...giving someone a bottle of water after they have stood in line for hours is not voter intimidation. It is giving them water so they do not pass out.
 
trouble13 said:
I don't need to know. The only thing WE need to know is that they are legally entitled to do what they are doing
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You can be legal and still an asshole. Just look at Trump.
 
trouble13 said:
Why haven't the police arrested them if it's obvious? Is it some kind of conspiracy against Democrats. Do I need to put on a tinfoil hat to tune in with you?
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I clearly stated at the beginning I disagree with the judge. And it will be appealed.
 
Nickyjo said:
There is a difference between giving people in line a bottle of water and what these jerks were up to. Though one should ask if they have been asked why they are there.
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That's true. Having contact and being in close proximity of voters is a crime. Standing at distance and filming them is not. That's an important difference between the two and im glad you are at least capable of distinguishing there is a difference in their actions
 
justoneman said:
To my way of thinking, these ballot boxes are exactly like the boxes that one deposits a ballot in at the polling place. sure you fill out the ballot at home but then you transport the ballot to these boxes. Activists are not allowed in the polling place between the voting booths and the deposit boxes. Why should this be any different?
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I agree. No one yet has even explained why armed people are staking out drop boxes.
 
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