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Federal Government Should Be Paying Much More Into Education

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We need an overhaul of the school finance system, with reforms ensuring a larger role for the federal government. In light of the concerns outlined in this report, policymakers must think differently both about school funding overall and about school funding during recessions. Public education is a public good, and as noted in this report, one that helps to stabilize the entire economy at critical points. Therefore, public spending on education should be treated as the public investment it is. While we leave it to policymakers to design specific reforms, we recommend an increased role for the federal government grounded in substantial, well targeted, consistent investment in the children who are our future, the professionals who help these children attain that future, and the environments in which they work. To establish a robust, stable, and consistent school funding plan that supports all children, investments need to be proportional to the size of the problems and to the societal and economic importance of the sector.

Economic Policy Institute: Public education funding in the U.S. needs an overhaul - How a larger federal role would boost equity and shield children from disinvestment during downturns.​


It's a lengthy detailed Report. It begins with a short summary which can be read quite quickly. I would urge posters to read the summary before posting. That way, you'll understand why this proposal makes sense.

This is logical. We have a system where education is highly dependent on family wealth. That needs to change.

We cannot blame the poor for making bad decisions when we have made the bad decision to provide them with a second hand education and expect them to compete in a world where others get a first rate education.

We should raise taxes on the rich and create a first rate education system which is available to everyone.

That would make America greater, a likely end up reducing the relative costs of police, courts, prisons, and health care. It would result in a greater proportion of the populace being productive, and it would raise the GDP. That would make us more able to lower the debt/GDP ratio.

It would also lower property tax because less of it would be needed for education.

And it would reduce the economic impact of recessions.

It is a good idea; with no immediate downside. But I'm sure our right-leaning friends will have something to say about that.

Bring it on.
 
It's a lengthy detailed Report. It begins with a short summary which can be read quite quickly. I would urge posters to read the summary before posting. That way, you'll understand why this proposal makes sense.

This is logical. We have a system where education is highly dependent on family wealth. That needs to change.

We cannot blame the poor for making bad decisions when we have made the bad decision to provide them with a second hand education and expect them to compete in a world where others get a first rate education.

We should raise taxes on the rich and create a first rate education system which is available to everyone.

That would make America greater, a likely end up reducing the relative costs of police, courts, prisons, and health care. It would result in a greater proportion of the populace being productive, and it would raise the GDP. That would make us more able to lower the debt/GDP ratio.

It would also lower property tax because less of it would be needed for education.

And it would reduce the economic impact of recessions.

It is a good idea; with no immediate downside. But I'm sure our right-leaning friends will have something to say about that.

Bring it on.
Good idea but there's gonna be pretty stiff resistance.
For one thing states won't give up any of their control easily and more federal money would mean more federal input.
For another all those wealthy people have their kids in private schools because, among other things, it gives their kids an educational advantage over the great unwashed masses and they won't easily give up that advantage.
But it's definitely something that needs to be pursued. American kids should be performing better on PISA tests than they are.

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Good idea but there's gonna be pretty stiff resistance.
For one thing states won't give up any of their control easily and more federal money would mean more federal input.
For another all those wealthy people have their kids in private schools because, among other things, it gives their kids an educational advantage over the great unwashed masses and they won't easily give up that advantage.
But it's definitely something that needs to be pursued. American kids should be performing better on PISA tests than they are.

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That's pathetic. We need to be in the top tier. We need a comprehensive national program for the whole country. Obviously, leaving it up to the States is not working very well.
 
ALEC is demanding their for profit Privatized Charter Schools should receive OUR tax dollars instead.

ALEC Privatization does not end taxation .............

Are YOU researching your school board candidates before voting? ALEC is contaminating school boards throughout the USA because they need to own school boards to complete their mission of fascist grand
theft.
 
It's a lengthy detailed Report. It begins with a short summary which can be read quite quickly. I would urge posters to read the summary before posting. That way, you'll understand why this proposal makes sense.

This is logical. We have a system where education is highly dependent on family wealth. That needs to change.

We cannot blame the poor for making bad decisions when we have made the bad decision to provide them with a second hand education and expect them to compete in a world where others get a first rate education.

We should raise taxes on the rich and create a first rate education system which is available to everyone.

That would make America greater, a likely end up reducing the relative costs of police, courts, prisons, and health care. It would result in a greater proportion of the populace being productive, and it would raise the GDP. That would make us more able to lower the debt/GDP ratio.

It would also lower property tax because less of it would be needed for education.

And it would reduce the economic impact of recessions.

It is a good idea; with no immediate downside. But I'm sure our right-leaning friends will have something to say about that.

Bring it on.
Frankly, no. The LAST thing we need is to get the federal government MORE involved in education. The proposal is laughably like every other instance when the "we/rse from the government and we're here to help" methodology. What need to happen is the feds having LESS power and influence on the education process. Do we really want 535 stuffed shirt politicians of various ideologies being able to hack, twist, or distort the educational system based on which party manages to hold a majority in each house and the White House? We'd end up with a latter-day clone of the Hitler Youth.

Fifty states and hundreds of localities working on education offers the ability to improvise, experiment and develop educational systems that actually educates.
 
That's pathetic. We need to be in the top tier. We need a comprehensive national program for the whole country. Obviously, leaving it up to the States is not working very well.
That's nonsense - assuming some far-off bureaucrat can produce and better, more effective educational system that local individuals is ridiculous. One-sze-fits all solutions rarely fit anyone well. How about block grants from the feds to schools based on their pupils' performance on standard tests (maybe weighted to district economic demographics.
 
It is a good idea; with no immediate downside. But I'm sure our right-leaning friends will have something to say about that.

In my opinion, here is the extent of most Republicans' Neanderthal opinion: Federal government, Democrats like it, oppose. That's all they have.
 
Federal Government Should Be Paying Much More Into Education and so should city government .....

ALEC is contaminating local school boards, state public education officials, city government, state government and of course the federal government. Does anyone give a damn?
Too few, apparently. The right has used their typical propaganda and religion-driven fear to motivate school board candidates to do their profit-seeking bidding. Things that should logically be public services because of universal need are being profitized by the right under the guise of a general disdain for government. The right would have all health care and education done for profit instead of goal-oriented government programs.

But the critical fact remains. If a function has to generate a profit, it inherently has to cost more than the same function run by government that only has to break even. There is no secret math that can make a profitable operation cheaper than a non-profit. Buildings have to be built and maintained. People have to be hired and paid to do the work. The big difference is one way, the overall cost to accomplish the goal has to be higher to include the profit margin, and the other way can be exactly the same, but without the profit margin. That way is the lowest cost.

It has also been shown that for-profit schools perform no better than government-run schools. Sometimes they perform worse. That is because something has to be cut to try to do it for a comparable cost. Often that is teacher pay or benefits. Paying less and/or offering worse benefits leads to a lower quality of work. People who are paid less are not as productive as people who are paid more. They do not try as hard. The very fact of being paid less makes them feel like it is not worth it to try as hard. But when people are paid more, they care more about keeping that job. They try harder, work harder, and produce better output. They work harder to justify being paid more.

Every child needs an education. This should be a government function, not a for-profit one.
 
Too few, apparently. The right has used their typical propaganda and religion-driven fear to motivate school board candidates to do their profit-seeking bidding. Things that should logically be public services because of universal need are being profitized by the right under the guise of a general disdain for government. The right would have all health care and education done for profit instead of goal-oriented government programs.

But the critical fact remains. If a function has to generate a profit, it inherently has to cost more than the same function run by government that only has to break even. There is no secret math that can make a profitable operation cheaper than a non-profit. Buildings have to be built and maintained. People have to be hired and paid to do the work. The big difference is one way, the overall cost to accomplish the goal has to be higher to include the profit margin, and the other way can be exactly the same, but without the profit margin. That way is the lowest cost.

It has also been shown that for-profit schools perform no better than government-run schools. Sometimes they perform worse. That is because something has to be cut to try to do it for a comparable cost. Often that is teacher pay or benefits. Paying less and/or offering worse benefits leads to a lower quality of work. People who are paid less are not as productive as people who are paid more. They do not try as hard. The very fact of being paid less makes them feel like it is not worth it to try as hard. But when people are paid more, they care more about keeping that job. They try harder, work harder, and produce better output. They work harder to justify being paid more.

Every child needs an education. This should be a government function, not a for-profit one.
I can certainly subscribe to your way of thinking......absolutely. A vote for ALEC privatization is a vote against
a respectable education for our children. Fundmentalism and Fascism will rule their schools.
 
Here is the ALEC-Republican-MAGA outlook on public schools. Death by a thousand small cuts.
You can compare it to fundamentalist Mormon "bleeding the beast" approaches to welfare money.

School vouchers charters destroy public.webp
 
I can certainly subscribe to your way of thinking......absolutely. A vote for ALEC privatization is a vote against
a respectable education for our children. Fundmentalism and Fascism will rule their schools.
Sad but true. Their greed exceeds their true patriotism.
 
Here is the ALEC-Republican-MAGA outlook on public schools. Death by a thousand small cuts.
You can compare it to fundamentalist Mormon "bleeding the beast" approaches to welfare money.

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Great cartoon.

The two schools are the same. Only difference is one of them has to earn a profit for share holders. Only way to do that is to take something away from the non-profit model.
 
It has also been shown that for-profit schools perform no better than government-run schools. Sometimes they perform worse. That is because something has to be cut to try to do it for a comparable cost. Often that is teacher pay or benefits. Paying less and/or offering worse benefits leads to a lower quality of work. People who are paid less are not as productive as people who are paid more. They do not try as hard. The very fact of being paid less makes them feel like it is not worth it to try as hard. But when people are paid more, they care more about keeping that job. They try harder, work harder, and produce better output. They work harder to justify being paid more.
This is completely false. Just about every prestigious prep boarding school in the Northeast out performs every single public school across many factors; percent to graduate, matriculation, SAT and ACT scores and percent to continue on to graduate and doctorate studies.
 
This is completely false. Just about every prestigious prep boarding school in the Northeast out performs every single public school across many factors; percent to graduate, matriculation, SAT and ACT scores and percent to continue on to graduate and doctorate studies.

Who knew throwing money at education made it better.
 
That's how it works in all those countries in the top tier.
LOL, kind of a broad nebulous assertion - at best. A "but, mommy all the other kids are doing it!" at worst.
 
This goes all the way back to Brown vs Board of Education. A case that had to be fought in court, presided over by white men, and a congress full of white men, who still supported many aspects of segregation. These are people who for Centuries never wanted anything to be equal when it comes to black people and they did not give a damn about poor white people.

If we had more Presidents like LBJ we would never have dove into the continuing "inequity" within the public schools system. It likely won't get fixed until there is less white people dominating congress and congress become more diverse in the House and the Senate, especially within the Republican Sector, and Diversity must expand more into the Democratic Sector of Congress.

As long was we have white male dominated congress, we will have more screwed up things and more inequity, that disadvantages people based on money, and skin .... what does that mean? It means poor whites will get the short end of the stick, and blacks and other non whites will get an even shorter end of the stick.

Every mess in every system within America's Government and Public Systems has been screwed up by "white people and their prejudices, their biases and their discriminating acts. The same is true in the Economic Sectors of American Society. White people try to deny it, because they can't stand the fact that anyone calls them out on the long history and ongoing messes they make, when they continue to fill the seats that make major decisions that impact all of society.

History has shown there are certain types of white people, who cannot be trusted to do thing fair and with principles of equality. most of them sit and reside within the Conservative Republican and Right Wing Ranks.

It's taken many decades for the more Liberal white people to stand up with voice, and some still waver and flip flop and get caught up in Right Wing Conservative Narratives, and become either reluctant or afraid to call of these white people, who fill the ranks of Conservative Republicanism. They have been taught in many ways to never criticize white people, as if they are afraid it may be interperted as including "all white people"... Which is does not. It's about a certain segment of white people, and most know that segment is composed of Conservative, Right Wingers who fall in the groups of Right Leaning Political Labels they hide under.

In this 21st Century more and more of the younger people who live outside of these Right Wing Conservative Containment Zones, don't buy into the Right Wing Conservative Dogma. The white people have been liberal even when they were afraid to speak up, have not stopped being liberal, they now don't have to fear so much about speaking out.

A big problem is the media continues to feed society Right Wing Narratives, because the ignorance of those narratives promote drama antics, and the media loves drama because people get hooked into it and the network can sell more commercials advertisement, so they chase down every stupid thing that Right Wingers and Republicans say and do.

The Media needs to change, and start creating narrative that deal with the positive things that Liberal are doing, the positive things that people create and develop and the good things people do in their communities and in their states and get away from being wrapped up, trying to debunk some stupidity that is so stupidity that its a waste of time to get caught up in it.

With the level of willful ignorance that been exposed within the internet, its should not even be a question, that more money needs to be put into education, and every public schools needs to be made into the best education system in this nation.
 
It doesn’t.
But the prestigious prep schools have more money and they score higher. Could they do that on the same budget as the low scoring schools?
 
This goes all the way back to Brown vs Board of Education. A case that had to be fought in court, presided over by white men, and a congress full of white men, who still supported many aspects of segregation. These are people who for Centuries never wanted anything to be equal when it comes to black people and they did not give a damn about poor white people.

If we had more Presidents like LBJ we would never have dove into the continuing "inequity" within the public schools system. It likely won't get fixed until there is less white people dominating congress and congress become more diverse in the House and the Senate, especially within the Republican Sector, and Diversity must expand more into the Democratic Sector of Congress.

As long was we have white male dominated congress, we will have more screwed up things and more inequity, that disadvantages people based on money, and skin .... what does that mean? It means poor whites will get the short end of the stick, and blacks and other non whites will get an even shorter end of the stick.

Every mess in every system within America's Government and Public Systems has been screwed up by "white people and their prejudices, their biases and their discriminating acts. The same is true in the Economic Sectors of American Society. White people try to deny it, because they can't stand the fact that anyone calls them out on the long history and ongoing messes they make, when they continue to fill the seats that make major decisions that impact all of society.

History has shown there are certain types of white people, who cannot be trusted to do thing fair and with principles of equality. most of them sit and reside within the Conservative Republican and Right Wing Ranks.

It's taken many decades for the more Liberal white people to stand up with voice, and some still waver and flip flop and get caught up in Right Wing Conservative Narratives, and become either reluctant or afraid to call of these white people, who fill the ranks of Conservative Republicanism. They have been taught in many ways to never criticize white people, as if they are afraid it may be interperted as including "all white people"... Which is does not. It's about a certain segment of white people, and most know that segment is composed of Conservative, Right Wingers who fall in the groups of Right Leaning Political Labels they hide under.

In this 21st Century more and more of the younger people who live outside of these Right Wing Conservative Containment Zones, don't buy into the Right Wing Conservative Dogma. The white people have been liberal even when they were afraid to speak up, have not stopped being liberal, they now don't have to fear so much about speaking out.

A big problem is the media continues to feed society Right Wing Narratives, because the ignorance of those narratives promote drama antics, and the media loves drama because people get hooked into it and the network can sell more commercials advertisement, so they chase down every stupid thing that Right Wingers and Republicans say and do.

The Media needs to change, and start creating narrative that deal with the positive things that Liberal are doing, the positive things that people create and develop and the good things people do in their communities and in their states and get away from being wrapped up, trying to debunk some stupidity that is so stupidity that its a waste of time to get caught up in it.

With the level of willful ignorance that been exposed within the internet, its should not even be a question, that more money needs to be put into education, and every public schools needs to be made into the best education system in this nation.
One of the problems pointed out in the summary found at the OP link was that every economic recession results in school funding cuts, and lower scores.

By shifting more of education funding to the federal government with pre-planned funding hikes during recessions, the quality of public education can be maintained at a higher level. It's simple logic.
 
But the prestigious prep schools have more money and they score higher. Could they do that on the same budget as the low scoring schools?
Prep schools have more academically gifted students by design. They test and enforce academic performance as a condition of admission. It has nothing to do with money. For example, one of the highest funded public school districts in Ohio is one of the worst from an academic standpoint.
 
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This is completely false. Just about every prestigious prep boarding school in the Northeast out performs every single public school across many factors; percent to graduate, matriculation, SAT and ACT scores and percent to continue on to graduate and doctorate studies.
These parents expect a lot from their children and see to it they do homework and learn. It's not the school it's
the parents and tutors and such.
 
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