Federal agents in portland dc and seattle

[beerftw]

Just wondering why so little is heard of it, my google news feed only brought it up today, but supposedly they have had them there starting july 2nd. But from what I read today they have border patrol bortac, or their tactical units, fps, dhs, etc etc, and they even have snipers as well.

So if seattle portland and dc have such violent riots that federal agents need to be sent in, why is this making almost no new headlines, and instead mostly making headlines on local news outlets. I do believe it is about time the federal agents stepped in when these three areas are telling their police to step down and let violence and rioting happen. So far the only other major headlines I heard were that portland govt/police were pissed off because they could not control federal agents ie order them to stand down, and another over a protester getting shot in the face with a rubber bullet fracturing his skull.

Report: The Trump Administration Ordered Homeland Security to Patrol Portland Uprising - Willamette Week

Police shoot Portland protester in head with impact weapon, causing severe injuries - oregonlive.com

 

[Chomsky]

That's pretty interesting. A quick Google search does find some reputable sources carrying it, so I think it is legit.

 

[dave8383]

That's pretty interesting. A quick Google search does find some reputable sources carrying it, so I think it is legit.

They were in Lafayette Square in DC so it wouldn't surprise me that they've been other places.

 

[Barnacle]

Just wondering why so little is heard of it, my google news feed only brought it up today, but supposedly they have had them there starting july 2nd. But from what I read today they have border patrol bortac, or their tactical units, fps, dhs, etc etc, and they even have snipers as well.

So if seattle portland and dc have such violent riots that federal agents need to be sent in, why is this making almost no new headlines, and instead mostly making headlines on local news outlets. I do believe it is about time the federal agents stepped in when these three areas are telling their police to step down and let violence and rioting happen. So far the only other major headlines I heard were that portland govt/police were pissed off because they could not control federal agents ie order them to stand down, and another over a protester getting shot in the face with a rubber bullet fracturing his skull.

Report: The Trump Administration Ordered Homeland Security to Patrol Portland Uprising - Willamette Week

Police shoot Portland protester in head with impact weapon, causing severe injuries - oregonlive.com

Seems to me the Portland mayor is embarrassed to admit that he can't control the riots and protests in his city, hence not much mentioning in the general media about Trump having sent in federal officers.
Wouldn't surprise me if the mayor actually asked for them ... not openly, of course.

"We are now more than a month and a half into witnessing nightly violence on our streets. Portland continues to be used as a staging ground for violence night after night. ..."

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Asks Federal Officers to Use Restraint in Crowd Control - Willamette Week

 

[joko104]

Just wondering why so little is heard of it, my google news feed only brought it up today, but supposedly they have had them there starting july 2nd. But from what I read today they have border patrol bortac, or their tactical units, fps, dhs, etc etc, and they even have snipers as well.

So if seattle portland and dc have such violent riots that federal agents need to be sent in, why is this making almost no new headlines, and instead mostly making headlines on local news outlets. I do believe it is about time the federal agents stepped in when these three areas are telling their police to step down and let violence and rioting happen. So far the only other major headlines I heard were that portland govt/police were pissed off because they could not control federal agents ie order them to stand down, and another over a protester getting shot in the face with a rubber bullet fracturing his skull.

Report: The Trump Administration Ordered Homeland Security to Patrol Portland Uprising - Willamette Week

Police shoot Portland protester in head with impact weapon, causing severe injuries - oregonlive.com

LONG overdue.

 

[Casper]

That's pretty interesting. A quick Google search does find some reputable sources carrying it, so I think it is legit.

Yes, what could go wrong...……………….

 

[NWRatCon]

Federal officers severely wounded a Portland protester. Local leaders blame Trump. (WaPo, Subscription).

The protester, armed only with a speaker, stood across the street from a line of officers clad in body armor in downtown Portland, Ore., on Saturday night. When they threw a canister his way, video shows, the protester calmly rolled it away. Seconds later, shots rang out, and he crumbled to the ground with blood gushing from his head.

The man, 26-year-old Donavan La Bella, suffered a fractured skull and required facial reconstruction surgery after he was apparently hit in the head by a less-than-lethal munition, his mother told the Oregonian. The man is in serious condition at Portland’s Legacy Emanuel Medical Center, a hospital spokeswoman said Monday.

The round was reportedly fired by federal agents, who have been dispatched to Portland as part of President Trump’s crackdown on destructive protests, a fact that has become a flashpoint for local officials already bristling over the feds being sent without their consent. On Sunday, many blamed Trump’s policies for the bloodshed.

The accompanying video shows CLEARLY, that the action was both unjustified, and Outside of federal jurisdiction (the protester was not on federal property, and had taken no hostile action). In a just world, the offending officer, and their supervisor, would be removed from duty, fired or demoted, and potentially charged criminally. We'll see if justice will be served.

 

[beerftw]

Federal officers severely wounded a Portland protester. Local leaders blame Trump. (WaPo, Subscription). The accompanying video shows CLEARLY, that the action was both unjustified, and Outside of federal jurisdiction (the protester was not on federal property, and had taken no hostile action). In a just world, the offending officer, and their supervisor, would be removed from duty, fired or demoted, and potentially charged criminally. We'll see if justice will be served.

Federal officers have jurisdiction outside federal land, they are capable of using force over federal law, do you think the fbi refuses to arrest someone because he is not sitting on federal land?

Now the using a rubber bullet thing was overkill, they probably could have charged him on some federal level charge, but shooting a rubber bullet at his skull was overkill for kicking a canister atleast for what the video shown. However federal authorities are investigating it meaning they are not simply shruggin it off and recognized excessive force.

 

[NWRatCon]

To clarify: some federal officers and agencies have jurisdiction to agencies have general enforcement authority with regards to certain law enforcement activities. Not all federal officers do. In this circumstance, these officers are deployed to protect a particular federal facility. They have jurisdiction within that facility. They DO NOT have general law enforcement authority in the streets of Portland. They only have authority to enforce federal laws within the ambit of their authority. The individual in question posed no threat, and violated no law. They didn't even have authority to fire the smoke canister at him. That's my point.

 

[Barnacle]

LONG overdue.

Yesterday the Portland mayor told the feds to clean graffiti off federal buildings and then to go home and stay here.

Today ... CHOP/CHAZ 2.0 ... :lamo

"Portland protesters early Wednesday began to set up tents in the park near the federal courthouse and have barricaded streets to create their own autonomous zone, ..."

Portland protesters create own '''autonomous zone''' by pitching tents, rebuilding barricades removed by police | Fox News

 

[joko104]

Yesterday the Portland mayor told the feds to clean graffiti off federal buildings and then to go home and stay here.

Today ... CHOP/CHAZ 2.0 ... :lamo

"Portland protesters early Wednesday began to set up tents in the park near the federal courthouse and have barricaded streets to create their own autonomous zone, ..."

Portland protesters create own '''autonomous zone''' by pitching tents, rebuilding barricades removed by police | Fox News

I'm confident the feds don't give a damn what a mayor says or wants.

 

[joko104]

To clarify: some federal officers and agencies have jurisdiction to agencies have general enforcement authority with regards to certain law enforcement activities. Not all federal officers do. In this circumstance, these officers are deployed to protect a particular federal facility. They have jurisdiction within that facility. They DO NOT have general law enforcement authority in the streets of Portland. They only have authority to enforce federal laws within the ambit of their authority. The individual in question posed no threat, and violated no law. They didn't even have authority to fire the smoke canister at him. That's my point.

The DHS could have shot him in the head with live ammo - completely legal.

 

[joko104]

Federal officers severely wounded a Portland protester. Local leaders blame Trump. (WaPo, Subscription). The accompanying video shows CLEARLY, that the action was both unjustified, and Outside of federal jurisdiction (the protester was not on federal property, and had taken no hostile action). In a just world, the offending officer, and their supervisor, would be removed from duty, fired or demoted, and potentially charged criminally. We'll see if justice will be served.

If a person goes looking for trouble sometimes they are unlucky enough to find it. He did.

 

[Razoo]

I'm confident the feds don't give a damn what a mayor says or wants.

If the services were not requested they cannot interfere. So who sent these federal agents? Rump and friends don't have the authority.

 

[joko104]

Messing with Homeland Security is a serious mistake. For our company, we only always dance for the DHS. We've told ever other agency on various occasions to go to hell - in appropriate language. But never the DHS. In fact, we have told other agencies "no" - even the FBI - explaining they aren't the DHS. When they realize we are under DHS jurisdiction and ask their own agency's superior what to do with that response, they do back off.

Read the Patriot Act, the Homeland Security Act and corresponding statutes and regulations. The DHS can do anything. Anything at all. If any of them had decided - right or wrong - that guy was a domestic terrorist, they could have shot him in the head with a .308 - and would have no duty to say who did it nor justify that decision.

Do NOT mess with the DHS. You WILL lose. They want everyone to understand that too. That is what the shot was likely about. Yeah, the mayor let's them scream in local polices' faces and the rest. Means nothing to the DHS.

 

[joko104]

If the services were not requested they cannot interfere. So who sent these federal agents? Rump and friends don't have the authority.

I answered your statement in my message. The DHS is basically a stand-alone agency. Can do whatever they want to. Read up the statutes and laws rather than just pulling crap out of the air. Whose "request" or permission they need is no ones.

 

[joko104]

Federal officers have jurisdiction outside federal land, they are capable of using force over federal law, do you think the fbi refuses to arrest someone because he is not sitting on federal land?

Now the using a rubber bullet thing was overkill, they probably could have charged him on some federal level charge, but shooting a rubber bullet at his skull was overkill for kicking a canister atleast for what the video shown. However federal authorities are investigating it meaning they are not simply shruggin it off and recognized excessive force.

Mobs are irrational and they were working up their mob mentality - increasing numbers crossing the street against orders not to. That shot stopped a riot - and the DHS would NOT respond they way local police would. That shot ended the danger to everyone else by ending mob escalation to uncontrollable.

 

[joko104]

From the OP link:

"The Department of Homeland Security has identified property damage in Portland as a national security threat for at least three years."

Should do in dozens of other cities too. Put down the anarchist insurrection - whatever it takes. Be HARSH.

 

[Roadvirus]

Seems to me the Portland mayor is embarrassed to admit that he can't control the riots and protests in his city, hence not much mentioning in the general media about Trump having sent in federal officers.
Wouldn't surprise me if the mayor actually asked for them ... not openly, of course.

"We are now more than a month and a half into witnessing nightly violence on our streets. Portland continues to be used as a staging ground for violence night after night. ..."

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Asks Federal Officers to Use Restraint in Crowd Control - Willamette Week

Wheeler can go **** himself. One Fed agent got hit with a hammer by some chunkhead protester.

Use of force justified, baby!

 

[beerftw]

Mobs are irrational and they were working up their mob mentality - increasing numbers crossing the street against orders not to. That shot stopped a riot - and the DHS would NOT respond they way local police would. That shot ended the danger to everyone else by ending mob escalation to uncontrollable.

The use of the rubber bullet to the skull was excessive force though atleast from what the video shown, it is always possible there is more to be seen than what meets the eye, however if he video is an accurate portrayal of the events that night, it would be in excess, they could have aimed for a less vital spot, used beanbags, or other means.


Rubber bullets do break bones and that is no secret, they are considered less than lethal, but can actually be lethal especially if aimed in the right spot.